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What's happening with Paul van Dyk?

Okay following Wicked Neo's instructions in the other thread I make this one
So keep it cool.

My personal opinion on Paul van Dyk is that he's a great Dj to see live, he spins all the uplifting stuff etc... to get the crowd going...
But if I may compare him with dj's as Oakey, Sasha, Joof, etc...
I miss something in his sets, and that's the lack of atmosphere, I dont wanna hurt the pvd fans here, but if I compare his sets another dj I can say his spinning style is shortest to Johan Gielen.
Where is the time PVD builds his sets to absolute climaxes?
He just spins all the uplifting (and well known) tunes into eachother constantly letting the crowd go insane (see the Gielen comparison?)
I mean I much more like sets with a "warmer" atmosphere and with now and then absolute toppers and near the end absolutely building towards a climax. And here's why I like some easier tracks (also progressive) at the start of sets, not just throwing in all the bangin track the one after the other...
I wanna take the Parks & Wilson ess mix 2000 as an example.
This sets just floods over from atmosphere and the last 40 minutes are just breathtaking with absolute toppers. (check this one out if you didn't hear it yet!)
I dunno how it is for other people but when I started to listen to trance I also preferred PVD, Ferry etc...because all of the bangin tracks played. But what makes a Dj great is creating a journey through trance music (northern exposure on top here) and that's something PVD lacks (no offence here, he's a crowd dj).
If I go to clubs here in Belgium and some residents play stuff (I take Atmoz as an example) the crowd goes absolutely nuts on the hard club tunes, jump etc.. whatever...
Ok The crowd goes insane so the dj is great would one say...that's why a lot of u like PVD (If I see him life I will go insane too, I admit) but the fact of creating an "atmosphere" around a set proves to be a great dj (for me then)
And there's why I'm not a PVD, Ferry and Gielen fan.

Hey! Remember I like the tunes they play but not the set

Don't flame me now, just think twice about what I said.

Uplifting stuff? He plays more progressive tracks than uplifting. He's not like Corsten and other "all trance" DJs...different styles. PVD is a dj that incorporates more than just trance music into his sets. Trance, techno, progressive and also breaks. Ofcourse you won't find him as appealing cuz he isnt all trance.

YOU WON!
Apparently you're the first one who really isn't able to have a good discussion with.
BTW if U don't even know what progressive is plz don't reply to intelligent threads

Never heard Paul play a progressive track. I call Uplifting tracks stuff like Flash Brothers - Captured, he wouldent touch that with a fishing rod. I say he plays Hard Trance wich alot of people love and his mixing skills are very very good. His music doesnt appeal to me but i dont mind listening to him, although i wouldent play his sets out of choice.

I must add for all i am slightly going off Tiesto now the best journey i have ever been one has to be his Amnesia Set Broadcasted on Galaxy Mix Masters.

The problem is he's too random, capable of playing a blinding set, then capable of playing the most offensive array of shit you can ever hear. I don't think he's building his sets too well ATM either, a lot of people have said he's just mixing random tunes, which isn't like him and is reknowned "journies". Hopefully he'll pick himself up
on a side note, I think you should add Guy Ornadel to your list, he absolutely rules, his sets are amazing, mixing perfect, one of the few DJ's that can actually take you on a journey

the point is.. if you were there you would go crazy too
thats all that matters

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Originally posted by Haunted the point is.. if you were there you would go crazy too thats all that matters

thats not true, he's one of few DJ's that have made me stand still on a dancefloor and shout "what the fuck"
Others include Talla playing Darude - Sandstorm

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Originally posted by Haunted the point is.. if you were there you would go crazy too thats all that matters

u got that one rite

all the times ive seen pvd he has played techtrance and "normal" trance...

Re: What's happening with Paul van Dyk?

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Originally posted by TranceSeeker I miss something in his sets, and that's the lack of atmosphere, .

thats because 99% of the time his atmosphere is created by his fans being in great amount and possessing a high degree of "patriotism". hence its usually created them, and not by pvd, thus if you are not a great fan of pvd it sometimes difficult to feel the "atmosphere" like the others who are creating it.

I think a lot of people critique DJs to their recorded mp3 sets. Keep in mind Paul or any other DJ is not spinning for our direct enjoyment but those in front of him. Another factor to keep in mind is these radio sets are abridged versions of a longer set. Anyone who has seen Paul play a 4+ hour set will know Paul does spin a lot of upbeat non-trancey progressive tunes. I've been to 6-8 hour PvD sets at Twilo and I can absolutely tell you it's very very progressive in the beginning. Then a few trance tracks and then back to progressive. The only time when Paul goes to uplifting is the last hour.

If you want to hear progressive, listen to Paul's Love From Above set part 3 (12-07-02). Most people have the uplifting first half of his set but not the 2nd or 3rd.

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR thats because 99% of the time his atmosphere is created by his fans being in great amount and possessing a high degree of "patriotism". hence its usually created them, and not by pvd, thus if you are not a great fan of pvd it sometimes difficult to feel the "atmosphere" like the others who are creating it.

I reckon Oakenfold has that problem the most.

I seen PvD at Glasgow Green couple of years ago, 80% of the tent was just scallies that didnt know feck all about tunes. and PvD was mint, the whole place was loving it.

But when ive seen him in England its like what you said. its the crowd that make the buzz. So what I mean is I have actually seen him create an atmosphere on his own

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR thats because 99% of the time his atmosphere is created by his fans being in great amount and possessing a high degree of "patriotism". hence its usually created them, and not by pvd, thus if you are not a great fan of pvd it sometimes difficult to feel the "atmosphere" like the others who are creating it.

I love this comment. you got my respect again Ste!
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I`m going to be honest with you TS, back in December and the start of Summer, Paul was playing too much progressive, something I HATED WITH A PASSION. He would start his sets with 2 hours, building it up then turning into his trancey side. I got to see him play like this in March 29, 2002 @ NewYork and his first 2 hours where so boring. I was almost sleeping on the dancefloor due to the lack of energy of the tracks... when suddenly, Goldenscan`s 'Sunrise' came on and everybody was awaken

anyways... PvD plays better in Europe than he does in USA unfortunately.

many greetings,

f0x

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PvD plays better in Europe than he does in USA unfortunately.

It has so much to do with his personality: he's a guy who likes family, friends, home. I guess he just feels more comfortable playing in Europe.

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Originally posted by Starfox I love this comment. you got my respect again Ste! -

sarcasm?

Re: Re: What's happening with Paul van Dyk?

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR thats because 99% of the time his atmosphere is created by his fans being in great amount and possessing a high degree of "patriotism". hence its usually created them, and not by pvd, thus if you are not a great fan of pvd it sometimes difficult to feel the "atmosphere" like the others who are creating it.

Like I said "If I am there while he spins, I would go nuts too"
But he just lacks the ability to create journey atmospheres, and this is because of the tunes he plays, too cheesy for journeys IMO.
And again don't take this offensive.

i don tknow about now b/c i havent see him live lately.. but man, when i saw him in twilo NYC (he was a resident there) he fucked everyone up... his shit was sooo fuck'n good.... call it progressive or call it uplifting.. all i know is that his shit got that place fuck'n moveing... every person was danceing there asses off. those of you that were there for his 1 year anniversary @ twilo know what im talking about b/c not one person inthere, that night, was standing still or sitting down. ... and when he dropped FOR AN ANGEL.. OMG!!!!! pure BLISS!!!

And with atmospheres I mean here the music itself not when u'r at a party and hear the crowd going nuts.
A good Dj is not someone who mixes fluently a couple of tracks into eachother but one that creates a Journey by his ability of superb track selecting, and thats what I call skillz!
PVD has skillz to make people jump, but not to create journeys...

Go and listen to Politics of Dancing CD1, there you will find your warm non cheezy trance

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Originally posted by Biohazard Go and listen to Politics of Dancing CD1, there you will find your warm non cheezy trance

I got it...I listened it...and I don't like it

you cant get the same effects out of a set on a computer.... and yes.. he does take you on journy... well, atleast few years back he used to... but i do admit.. .he is slipping alittle bit.. but you cant judge his sets by just listing to it on mp3 lol

And hey guys, don't hate me for saying this, it's just my opinion on PVD, convince me that he's a brilliant dj, I did't make this thread to flame, just want a good discussion.
Personally his playing style just doesn't fit on me.
Neither does Gielen and Corsten, similar dj's.
I got respect for him but convince me that he creates awsome journeys... (you can't huh )
I got one set of him that is actually "good" and that's
paul van dyk - essential mix Live at Home London (23.04.2000)
(except from darude then....)

Alot of the people coming to gigs, no matter who the DJ is WILL go
nuts just becuase they are there and they have a DJ spinning just
infront of them. I remember one of Timo Maas's sets at Cream where
they interview two girls who are screaming that they got tickets
to cream and that its gonna be wiiicked, nothing wrong in it, i would
be going bananas if i had tickets too but the point is that if you
have such a good idea about how its going to be, then the dj can do
much about everything before he has fucked up for good.

If PVD just spins tracks without trainwrecking all the time and dont
spin all that dark shit that just contains of beats and tribals then
he will get away with it, so will every DJ.
But if you have a real fan there who is expecting the DJ to read his
mind and to spin just the right tracks and instead gets delievered
a bunch of tunes that don't match the mood at all, well then its
pretty much fucked.

What Im trying to say is that there is a difference between people
and people. People that go there to have a good time and listen to
some music and people who go there which have been following their
specific musicstyle and perhaps the dj himself/herself for a time
and knows how he/she wants to be touched, what tracks and what
kind of music he/she wants to hear to be taken on that journey that
we all wants to go on.

But I know for a fact that I would be going out of my mind If I got
to hear Oakie play, no matter what he played.

When was the last time you saw PvD live tranceseeker? And did he take you on a journey or not ?

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Originally posted by TranceSeeker YOU WON! Apparently you're the first one who really isn't able to have a good discussion with. BTW if U don't even know what progressive is plz don't reply to intelligent threads

obvioiously u havent heard him live...
I know when i seen him with his 6 hr sets... he most definately had progressive tracks in his sets... whether it be progressive house or progressive trance...both were in there.

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