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FX chain order

I know there is no right or wrong and its diff for everybody but i would really like PRO producers to give their take on this.

this is my order

1.delay

2.reverb

3.soudgoodizer or fatner ect...

4. EQ

5. copression

6. limiter (rarely)

Is this your standard chain for one track?

The answer really depends on your objectives. But, here are a few general thoughts:

- reverbs and delays are usually best used as a send effect (i.e., put on an FX bus and use sends from tracks). The reason for this is that you often want instruments to be in the same "space", so it makes sense to share the same reverbs/delays. Not to mention that it can reduce the number of CPU-heavy reverbs that you need. Of course, this is by no means a "rule", and there are often times that you'll want to use them as insert effects on a single track/part.

- the order depends on what you're trying to achieve. Do you want to add the same amount of reverb to your delayed signal AND the source? Probably not in most cases, so chaining a reverb after a delay is probably not the best choice. Taking it further, do you really want to then fatten, EQ, compress, and limit that mess as one? It's probably not something you'd want to do very often.

- I would really recommend starting to think of your projects in terms of logical groupings (i.e., using channel groups and/or buses), then figure out which chains of effects would best suit your setup. For example, if you have five background vocal parts, you can route them all to the same bus, EQ and compress them as one, use sends from that bus to FX tracks with reverb and delay. This will minimize the number of EQs, compressors, reverbs, and delays that you need (i.e., one of each plugin used) and will minimize the CPU hit from putting those same plugins on five separate tracks. You can also automate all of them at once from the bus automation lane (assuming your DAW does this). You still have the option of setting levels, panning, automation, etc. at the track level as well. Again, this depends on your objectives.

lol troll

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Originally posted by cryophonik Is this your standard chain for one track? The answer really depends on your objectives. But, here are a few general thoughts: - reverbs and delays are usually best used as a send effect (i.e., put on an FX bus and use sends from tracks). The reason for this is that you often want instruments to be in the same "space", so it makes sense to share the same reverbs/delays. Not to mention that it can reduce the number of CPU-heavy reverbs that you need. Of course, this is by no means a "rule", and there are often times that you'll want to use them as insert effects on a single track/part. - the order depends on what you're trying to achieve. Do you want to add the same amount of reverb to your delayed signal AND the source? Probably not in most cases, so chaining a reverb after a delay is probably not the best choice. Taking it further, do you really want to then fatten, EQ, compress, and limit that mess as one? It's probably not something you'd want to do very often. - I would really recommend starting to think of your projects in terms of logical groupings (i.e., using channel groups and/or buses), then figure out which chains of effects would best suit your setup. For example, if you have five background vocal parts, you can route them all to the same bus, EQ and compress them as one, use sends from that bus to FX tracks with reverb and delay. This will minimize the number of EQs, compressors, reverbs, and delays that you need (i.e., one of each plugin used) and will minimize the CPU hit from putting those same plugins on five separate tracks. You can also automate all of them at once from the bus automation lane (assuming your DAW does this). You still have the option of setting levels, panning, automation, etc. at the track level as well. Again, this depends on your objectives.

Well, what i do (when producing trance), is make 4 busses, instrument buss wich has all the synths, pianos ect... bass buss wich has all the basses kicks and low percussions, a perc buss that has all the mid drums like claps hihats ect... and an fx buss wich has all my crahses uplifters ect... so really i should just throw a reverb on my instrument buss instead of the individual channels?

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Originally posted by itsamemario lol troll

wtf? lol

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Originally posted by Newty so really i should just throw a reverb on my instrument buss instead of the individual channels?

It's more typical to have a reverb set up on an aux channel, and just send as much of each sound into it as you want, rather than subject an entire set of sounds to exactly the same amount of reverb.

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Originally posted by derail It's more typical to have a reverb set up on an aux channel, and just send as much of each sound into it as you want, rather than subject an entire set of sounds to exactly the same amount of reverb.

i just have no idea on how to do that, i use fl btw.

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Originally posted by Newty i just have no idea on how to do that, i use fl btw.

I don't use FL, but googled "Fruityloops aux" and this is one of the top links :

http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials...er--audio-13592

Aux channels are called "sends" in FL.

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Originally posted by Newty i just have no idea on how to do that, i use fl btw.

In the mixer you have Insert channels and Send channels to the right, you need to put your reverb\delays in the send channels, how much is sent from the Insert channel to the send channel is determined by the little knob above the yellow arrow at the bottom of the mixer.

When using Reeverb in a Send mixer track the Dry Level should be set to 0% (minimum).

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Originally posted by Newty wtf? lol

"Hey, I'm doing everything ass-backwards. I'm totally for reals lol".
Fuck off lol.

literally massive

Re: FX chain order

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Originally posted by Newty I know there is no right or wrong and its diff for everybody but i would really like PRO producers to give their take on this. this is my order 1.delay 2.reverb 3.soudgoodizer or fatner ect... 4. EQ 5. copression 6. limiter (rarely)

what you will learn is that there is no set "order of effects" for any track, it totally depends on what you want to achieve

Read up on Send/Aux(return) as these are definitely essential in my book.

Basically you place your effect on the Aux channel - set the wet amount to 100%.
Then, on one of your tracks, turn up the send knob for that particular Aux channel.
Say your effect is on Aux 1 - you would turn up Send 1 on that particular track.

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Originally posted by itsamemario "Hey, I'm doing everything ass-backwards. I'm totally for reals lol". Fuck off lol.

obv i have a lot of learning to do, wich is why i started posting on this site to start with. Im maybe new here, but i do know this site dosnt have room for assholes like you.

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Originally posted by derail I don't use FL, but googled "Fruityloops aux" and this is one of the top links : http://music.tutsplus.com/tutorials...er--audio-13592 Aux channels are called "sends" in FL.

Thanks for this!

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Originally posted by Viber In the mixer you have Insert channels and Send channels to the right, you need to put your reverb\delays in the send channels, how much is sent from the Insert channel to the send channel is determined by the little knob above the yellow arrow at the bottom of the mixer. When using Reeverb in a Send mixer track the Dry Level should be set to 0% (minimum).

thanks!

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Originally posted by Viber In the mixer you have Insert channels and Send channels to the right, you need to put your reverb\delays in the send channels, how much is sent from the Insert channel to the send channel is determined by the little knob above the yellow arrow at the bottom of the mixer. When using Reeverb in a Send mixer track the Dry Level should be set to 0% (minimum).

its actually working like magic i should be only using aux for reverb and delay?

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Originally posted by Newty its actually working like magic i should be only using aux for reverb and delay?

Delay and reverb are two of the main effects used on aux channels.

However, you shouldn't close yourself off to using just these two. Depending on the situation, you can get quite creative with aux effects. To start off though, setting up a few delay and reverb channels is a good way to go.

I usually EQ first and then add any FX I want. If its something that needs delay and reverb I'll usually apply reverb first and then delay so the mix doesn't get overwhelmed with reverb from each delayed signal. Or use send channels. If it still needs any corrective EQ I'll do that last (low cut reverb for example). Like everyone else said it depends on what your goal in mind is for the sound

Re: FX chain order

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Originally posted by Newty I know there is no right or wrong and its diff for everybody but i would really like PRO producers to give their take on this. this is my order 1.delay 2.reverb 3.soudgoodizer or fatner ect... 4. EQ 5. copression 6. limiter (rarely)

wtf lol

is this on your master?
or on every channel?

i use delay and/or reverb as aux/sends.
eq only where needed (when instruments clash and sometimes on master)
compression very rarely
limit only on the final master, maybe not even then.
soundgoodizer; what the hell is this? efex? i very often use various chorus/flanger and distortion on elements for various placement in the mix.

I got a noob question too, when and how do you guys use Pre Delay on the reverb? i know other people use it but when i try to use it i just end up messing everything up so i have it at 0.

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Originally posted by RobertAllen If its something that needs delay and reverb I'll usually apply reverb first and then delay so the mix doesn't get overwhelmed with reverb from each delayed signal.

Don't you mean delay first?

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Originally posted by Viber I got a noob question too, when and how do you guys use Pre Delay on the reverb? i know other people use it but when i try to use it i just end up messing everything up so i have it at 0.

I use predelay whenever I want the initial transients or syllables to come through dry, clean and up front, rather than pushed back into the mix. Especially for vocals - unless I'm intentionally trying to make vocals sound like they're off in the distance, I always use predelay (usually around 10-20 ms, depending on the project temnpo, desired effect, etc).

thanx

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