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are online production courses worth the time and money

so i have been looking into doing some online production courses and was wondering are they really any good or worth the time and effort and the money of course.

i mean will i really learn anything and will my tracks really improve?

i would like to learn ableton live inside and out im using reaper at the moment and i dont want to waste my money on online courses what do you guys think?

Which online courses are you considering? Probably easier to answer your questions if we know, since online courses vary a lot in terms of content, approach, quality, focus, etc.

YouTube videos have everything you need.

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Originally posted by kevin shawn YouTube videos have everything you need.

Yeah man thats right. Anyway I haven't seen a useful tutorial in almost years because i don't need them.

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Originally posted by kevin shawn YouTube videos have everything you need.

....if you don't mind wading through hours of shit tutorials made by complete amateurs before finding something worthwhile.

Do not.
Be hardcore and make it from scratch.

macprovideo.com has some good live tuts. they will get you there pretty quickly.

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Originally posted by eyepad macprovideo.com has some good live tuts. they will get you there pretty quickly.

+1. I like Groove3's tutorials even better, though. They'll definitely speed up the learning process for things like Live and other software and techniques, but that doesn't necessarily lead to improved tracks.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Do not. Be hardcore and make it from scratch.

+++ and feels more rewarding also in the end ^^

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Originally posted by cryophonik Which online courses are you considering? Probably easier to answer your questions if we know, since online courses vary a lot in terms of content, approach, quality, focus, etc.

well i was looking at buying ableton live 9 and using point blank to learn how to produce trance ect ect im not a comepleat noob been making beats for years but i feal that theirs more to learn.

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Originally posted by eyepad macprovideo.com has some good live tuts. they will get you there pretty quickly.

thanks some cool content

I recommend the groove3 tutorials, Thats also where i found all my favorite vsts

I'd add dancemusicproduction.com and D.Ramirez and Mistabishi youtube tutorials as useful resources.

Point Blank are ripoff merchants IMO. Their live courses *might* have some merit in terms of networking and shit, still not worth it. Same with Dubspot.

yeah paying 2-3 grand for a online course seem kind of ridiculous, but sites like dubstop and point blank are doing really really well right now so obviously there is a market, and people find value in it.

well i dont plan on spending all that money on point blank i just used it as a example i have found a place called sonic academy the do 3 months for 35 bucks that's all access to production videos ect.

the thing is i know how to put a tune together but get to a point were it seems less professional then i would like so iwas hoping to learn some new tricks i guess

i think those online subscriptions are probably worth it if you actually take the time to watch them. I would go with one that has a lot of content, good reviews, get a subscription for like a month and just get them all. Then watch.

I recommend you check out this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/user/SadowickProduction/videos

He is not the best musician in the world but he knows his way around Abelton (and a shitload of other stuff) pretty well.

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Originally posted by Viber I recommend you check out this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/SadowickProduction/videos He is not the best musician in the world but he knows his way around Abelton (and a shitload of other stuff) pretty well.

He may know "his way aroud Ableton" but the guy is a complete handicapped. Checked some of his videos. 50% of them are him stuttering and dicking around. If you wanna loose your time by learning nothing than that's the right channel.

To the OP.
You got everything you need (for free) to keep growing and developing as a producer. If you can't make it this way there is nothing that can save you. Just retire and dedicate your life to agriculture or other useful activities.

90 percent of youtube videos are of the blind leading the blind, i really don't get why some people do it, and i'm not trying to be a hater,i understand they are only trying to help and its also a great marketing tool now, but some people just need to stop.

What"s wrong with the good old manual and just sit down and go through it, chapter by chapter exploring and doing all the functions. It will take you a week or two, but you will have indepth knowlegde of your toolset.
I assume that you are not looking for the guys who show you how to lay down 3 loops, stick a vst on top and call it your first production, you are beyond production courses right?

Lately I'm rediscovering the pleasure of reading manuals and books. I could easily loose myself for hours...

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Originally posted by stewart.m well i dont plan on spending all that money on point blank i just used it as a example i have found a place called sonic academy the do 3 months for 35 bucks that's all access to production videos ect. the thing is i know how to put a tune together but get to a point were it seems less professional then i would like so iwas hoping to learn some new tricks i guess

Look for something that focuses on mixing, there are some good books out there as well

Have you posted any music in the WIP thread?

I used sonic academy for a while, the videos really helped push me in the right direction, id give it a thumbs up

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Originally posted by darouge11 I used sonic academy for a while, the videos really helped push me in the right direction, id give it a thumbs up

I also used their site and it was really useful and loads of content. And they do alot of tracks in Ableton Live which is my main daw, so yea, even if you know your way around, you can still pick up alot of tips you might not think of otherwise. I highly recommend.

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Originally posted by clay this. well manuals that is. books no thanks. but manuals are great bed lecture, sleeps like a baby after.

i cant read manuals to sleep, whenever i read manuals i get inspired to try things out immediately

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