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Posted by future_newbie on Feb-03-2014 20:25:

Noise From The Limiter?

Is it normal when the limiter is turned on or is it something I shouldn't worry about?


Posted by beamrider on Feb-03-2014 20:55:

Can you give more details?

what limiter are you using?
what kind of noise?
have you checked with a spectrum analyzer or another metering tool? how many dbs of noise?
if you mute all the channels but the master (I assume your limiter is there) do you still hear the noise?
Is this happening with different projects?


Posted by cryophonik on Feb-03-2014 20:59:

Hardware or software?


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Feb-03-2014 22:46:

waves analog button does this with their plugins


Posted by TranceLover007 on Feb-03-2014 23:25:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
waves analog button does this with their plugins


This is correct.


Posted by cryophonik on Feb-03-2014 23:36:

Yeah, but I don't think that any of their limiters have an Analog button on them, do they? Some of the channel strips do (e.g., SSL 4000 and various vintage emu's), but I wouldn't call those plugins "limiters".


Posted by future_newbie on Feb-04-2014 00:49:

quote:
Originally posted by beamrider
Can you give more details?

what limiter are you using?
what kind of noise?
have you checked with a spectrum analyzer or another metering tool? how many dbs of noise?
if you mute all the channels but the master (I assume your limiter is there) do you still hear the noise?
Is this happening with different projects?


It is the cubase internal "maximizer" limiter.

This is weird because, just noticed, it does it only in that specific project. But even if I change limiter there is still noise!
Even without gain reduction. There is that "Shhhh" noise which disappears only by muting the limiter...

Tried muting everything else but nah...is the limiter...




Posted by vercetti on Feb-04-2014 04:03:

What's the source material? If it's a sample library thing there could be some noise for added "warmth" or whatever. That would be amplified by whatever compressors/limiters you're using.


Posted by eyepad on Feb-04-2014 04:29:

during playback, or when idle?


Posted by future_newbie on Feb-04-2014 05:25:

quote:
Originally posted by eyepad
during playback, or when idle?


It does it always.

I bypassed the limiter, than turned the volume up of every single channel and NO noise at all. As soon as I reactivated the limiter that "shh" came back again. Tried every limiter I got and it does it with all of them, only in that project.

quote:
Originally posted by vercetti
What's the source material? If it's a sample library thing there could be some noise for added "warmth" or whatever. That would be amplified by whatever compressors/limiters you're using.


I've used some vec3 samples, but I don't get what you mean.


Posted by cryophonik on Feb-04-2014 06:03:

Some demo plugins will emit intermittent noise, but this doesn't sound like the case.

Try a basic process of elimination. Save it as a new project first, then start deleting every other track, bus, effect plugin, etc. one by one until only the track or bus with the limiter is left. Make sure the limiter is on while you're doing this so you see if anything you delete gets rid of the noise. After you've deleted all other tracks, etc, see if it's still making noise. If it is, then start deleting any other audio clips or other plugins from the track/bus with the limiter until the noise goes away, or until only the limiter is left. If it's still making noise with nothing but the limiter left in the project, then save it and see if maybe you can send the file to another Cubase user to confirm the problem.


Posted by future_newbie on Feb-09-2014 03:06:

At the end I deleted the project. It wasn't really an important one, but I'm pissed cause I might never understand the reason behind that.


Posted by chris marsh on Feb-10-2014 12:41:

maybe the project was corrupted

i use cubase 7 - and its easy to copy all your channels with all events and plug ins to a new project that wont be corrupt


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Feb-10-2014 19:09:

highly doubt it. improper gain staging or internal plugin clipping / aliasing then having it compounded by distortion or compression or limiting.


Posted by echosystm on Feb-10-2014 21:51:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
improper gain staging or internal plugin clipping / aliasing then having it compounded by distortion or compression or limiting.


He said he could hear the noise even when the track wasn't being played back. None of the issues you've mentioned would cause noise at idle.


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Feb-11-2014 16:28:

It's happened to me.


Posted by echosystm on Feb-11-2014 21:59:

quote:
Originally posted by Looney4Clooney
It's happened to me.


It's not possible for clipping and aliasing to occur when there's no sound... but OK.



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