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This is not right, in fact, I will call it BS!

here goes:

a little while ago I see a "new" thread about the Cell Injection party, with no feedback (then).

seeing that on the USA--> NY page, made me smile, and I was thinking gotcha!, cause our moderator was the one who overlooked that this event had been posted already weeks ago (knew, cause I'd seen it, maybe even posted, don't recall)

But then, I just looked at the post, and saw the comments there.

And that is what can only be called bullshit.

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"but they did not have all the event details in the first post and the thread title was also incomplete."

SO WHAT?
that happens all the time, especially when an event is posted when it's deets aren't fully know.
That's exactly what comments can be used for, to provide further information as it becomes available.
Myself, I've changed the title on more than one occassion after that happened, and I'm sure that could've been arranged...

And what does "all the details" mean, anyway?

Time, venue, line-up, that really all that's needed, and a link or two for more info, which will surely be on RA anyway.
(how many people here really care for the bottle service portions, you don't see too many comments that beg for that, lol)

But, more serious, since when is that grounds for interfering, or whatever, in a proper post by a member?
Certainly not the rules, as they are posted for this website.

But it gets worse, quote:
"Aside from that I have an agreement with Sankey's to be the official poster of all Sankeys related threads on TA."

SO?
What does that have to do with US?
Your agreement doesn't bind anyone here to it, nor TA for that matter.
We don't work for Sankey's, and they can't impose their rules on us.
And neither can YOU!

Or at the very least neither should you be allowed to make up rules that don't exist in the first place, and then use your ability as a moderator to do as you please.

This is not a commercial website, and if you just go and do it like this, it really looks like a conflict between being a moderator who is supposedly enforcing the site's rules (which don't include any of this), and being a promoter trying to manage the listings.

This is very disappointing, and I hope it doesn't happen like this again.

Listings are first come first serve, and you have pointed out many times that the one doing a double will get banned if they keep doing it. So, the second poster is the one breaking the rules, and if it's not a problem when the one enforcing the rules is the one breaking them, I don't know what is...

One more thing:

the information of the original post came from Gigatools if I remember correctly.
That is an official artist's calendar.
if they chose to make an event public long before the venue does, then by all means it should be posted here by whoever, and if the venue doesn't like being pre-empted, they can put the info out there sooner too (just like Drumcell did....)

Simple.
Even IF there is nothing official, just a rumor, or a hint hint, it's proper to be posted on the events thread, after all that is what its for, alerting people to upcoming possible events, to help us manage schedule better.

peace

^^

i am truly sorry..did i cause all of this because of that 2nd thread post a few weeks ago...i didnt know one existed lol

but mine had the full details

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Originally posted by djnoonstar ^^ i am truly sorry..did i cause all of this because of that 2nd thread post a few weeks ago...i didnt know one existed lol but mine had the full details

by second poster I mean the one who now appears as the thread's originator, and that isn't you.
(didn't know you had put up a "third" one)

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Originally posted by CarS by second poster I mean the one who now appears as the thread's originator, and that isn't you. (didn't know you had put up a "third" one)

well i just checked and it no longer exists

FYI... if ANY promoter of an event contacts us to edit the first post with complete info the first post is missing we do it and we have done so in the past for insomniac, made event, area event, and others. It makes no difference if it was Sankeys or someone else.

He was still the thread creator until he deleted his thread and then I created a new one. I saw the thread, I knew it was there but I always create a new thread and merge for the sake of using the RSVP guestlist option given to promoters when creating a new thread. If you simply make a post in a thread you are not given this option.

Had he just contacted me rather than delete the thread I am sure we could have come to some mutual resolution however now that the thread is deleted I cannot restore it.

When you click on a thread you always see the first post. If the first post doesn't have the name of the promoter/organizer, complete line up etc., flyer and other important information relevant to the event why wouldn't I add that as a moderator if I'm aware of it?

Anyway... I do not get paid to moderate here, I keep this forum clean and try to keep it updated out of the kindness of my own heart. I could really do without the drama especially since you weren't even involved in what happened and it seems like you are just trying to start something. You couldn't have pm'ed me to express your opinion? You pm me all the time for other things....

Again I never took the thread out of his name. The only reason its in my name now is because I created a new one. I don't have time to argue about this so I am just going to leave it at that.

From what I know - event promoters and venues have always held the right to claim a thread for one of their own events. For an event organizer it is important to be able to provide accurate information and update lineups / times as needed on the primary post and title. I've done this myself in the past so I don't think there's any special treatment going on since Zaneta is acting on behalf of the venue.

Personally I think there is still a fair balance since all prior comments / responses are still merged into the new thread so everything is retained (regardless of it being positive or negative).

Just my 2c

event promoters and venues owns threads now? i was under assumption this was a online discussion forum where one could talk about music.

i still think its absurd to delete's ones comments and replace it with your ticket purchase links. it seems like thats the most important thing nowadays. there was enough informtion on the original thread as far as i know. i did say where it was and date of the party. when you make a thread, it doesnt say that you have to include ticket links. in fact this party had no ticket links originally because of all that unnecessary endless/sankeys ticket sales codes.

i have made numerous threads about many parties on this bulletin board before. but none of them was deleted then replace with other people's comments before.

im not trying to start an argument over here but i feel like its not right for someone to be a moderator and a huge promoter on the same bulletin board, there i said it.

no more event making threads from me, i will leave that to official posters on this forum

in fact i posted the link to the email "pre sale" list.

what about secret guest or my friend robbies list? are they not allowed to post on here in regrads to sankeys?

it sounds a little ridiculous to have an "exclusive agreement" with a club to post on trance addict forum... is that even worth their time? did they have their lawyers draft contracts? lol

seems like a small conflict of interest - being a mod and a promoter

just my 2cents.

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Originally posted by benjamin1forty what about secret guest or my friend robbies list? are they not allowed to post on here in regrads to sankeys?

That's correct. Your friend can ask whoever he reports to at Sankeys about it and they will verify that. I'm not making this up. All other promoters were instructed to leave this board to me. I'm sure they can post in the comments but they want me creating the threads.

i understand they want continuity, and i also understand you invest time into this forum, and thank you for that.

Mods on here are involved in other work. I'm not just a promoter. I'm involved in several aspects of the music scene. And what about djs who are also mods? Do you consider that a conflict too? How about club photographers because several of the other mods host their own events spin and are involved in the scene on some level. I've beeen on this board for a while and even as just an average member. Btw I wasn't assigned this position, I was nominated and elected by its members. The previous mods quit likely because its a thankless job and you guys complain about everything

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Originally posted by benjamin1forty i understand they want continuity, and i also understand you invest time into this forum, and thank you for that.

You're quite welcome. Its a bit shocking to hear the words thank you actually since I can prob count the number of times anyone has said that to me on one hand

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Originally posted by xpand3r event promoters and venues owns threads now? i was under assumption this was a online discussion forum where one could talk about music. i still think its absurd to delete's ones comments and replace it with your ticket purchase links. it seems like thats the most important thing nowadays. there was enough informtion on the original thread as far as i know. i did say where it was and date of the party. when you make a thread, it doesnt say that you have to include ticket links. in fact this party had no ticket links originally because of all that unnecessary endless/sankeys ticket sales codes. i have made numerous threads about many parties on this bulletin board before. but none of them was deleted then replace with other people's comments before. im not trying to start an argument over here but i feel like its not right for someone to be a moderator and a huge promoter on the same bulletin board, there i said it. no more event making threads from me, i will leave that to official posters on this forum

From what I understand the original event post becomes the first response once there's an official thread of an event. Event details such as ticket links or locations might be another story, but I don't think any discourse or comments are removed.

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Originally posted by euphoria Mods on here are involved in other work. I'm not just a promoter. I'm involved in several aspects of the music scene. And what about djs who are also mods? Do you consider that a conflict too? How about club photographers because several of the other mods host their own events spin and are involved in the scene on some level. I've beeen on this board for a while and even as just an average member. Btw I wasn't assigned this position, I was nominated and elected by its members. The previous mods quit likely because its a thankless job and you guys complain about everything

i had to read your reply few times and i quite dont understand your comparison with djs who are also mods and photographers who are mods. this has nothing to do with it. the fact that you are a moderator of this bulletin board and a promoter for a major clubs seems like a conflict of interest to me.

and you removing my original comment and replacing it with yours seems a bit unnecessary. since the original thread had enough information i dont see why that was so necessary to do that.

and mentioning that you are involved in several aspects of the music scene? thats really the the issue here and no one including myself is questioning how much you do for everyone.

in the end it really seems like your main concern is to create these threads and sell the tickets. i will definitely stay out of making threads now because i am not official by any means.

and complaining about things? i don't see anyone complain about the forum here. in fact i messaged you about something with the forum a while back and you haven't gotten back to me. i didn't complain about that or made a big fuss either.

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Originally posted by BradMiller From what I understand the original event post becomes the first response once there's an official thread of an event. Event details such as ticket links or locations might be another story, but I don't think any discourse or comments are removed.

i deleted the original thread so im not gonna discuss about what exactly happened.

maybe its better off if no one makes event threads here and we can leave it to all the "official" promoters on this webpage. i just thought the point of this forum was music discussion and not a way to "officially" promote parties. theres facebook nowadays for that, we get plenty invites from people for parties every single day.

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Originally posted by xpand3r i had to read your reply few times and i quite dont understand your comparison with djs who are also mods and photographers who are mods. this has nothing to do with it. the fact that you are a moderator of this bulletin board and a promoter for a major clubs seems like a conflict of interest to me. and you removing my original comment and replacing it with yours seems a bit unnecessary. since the original thread had enough information i dont see why that was so necessary to do that. and mentioning that you are involved in several aspects of the music scene? thats really the the issue here and no one including myself is questioning how much you do for everyone. in the end it really seems like your main concern is to create these threads and sell the tickets. i will definitely stay out of making threads now because i am not official by any means. and complaining about things? i don't see anyone complain about the forum here. in fact i messaged you about something with the forum a while back and you haven't gotten back to me. i didn't complain about that or made a big fuss either.

I wasn't responding to you, that was in response to benjamin1forty's comment where he said being both a mod and promoter was a conflict of interests.

As for the message. I didn't get a message from you recently. When was this? I mean it's not like you don't have my # or my facebook too lol If you don't hear from me on here you are welcome to hit me up on the phone or fb and I wouldn't mind.

In response to promoting on facebook, it's quite ineffective for promotion these days unless you pay to promote your posts.

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Originally posted by xpand3r and you removing my original comment and replacing it with yours seems a bit unnecessary. since the original thread had enough information i dont see why that was so necessary to do that.

Ok, I see what you are saying here and I am not trying to be unfair or take any credit away from you creating the thread. In the future I will leave the OP's comment there and create a divider and just add additional information below the original post if it's necessary. I think that should be enough of a compromise to resolve the issue.

What Brad describes as his understanding isn't how I've seen it myself, and it shouldn't be.

The way it should be is, if the official event info comes available after the original post, then that info should be added as the first comment, so providing value to all.

This seems to be what Z. is proposing, and that sounds reasonable to me.

Actually that IS how you've done it with stuff I've posted in the past, so I don't even understand why that was changed.

The thing that got people's goat, was: going in, and changing what a member posted (rather than appending to it), when it appeared to be commercially driven. If the mod were, say, me (and yes, thanks for your time, cause it is definitely that, and i couldn't do it), I could make such a go-in-and-change move, but I wouldn't for lack of any reason such as promoting.

I actually am glad that Sankey's has an agreement with all of its promoters to handle it this way, because that will keep the multiple posts (in the past multiple threads too) with the same info from piling up.

But that doesn't bind anyone unrelated to Sankeys, or not wanting to work with them to anything, and Sankey's can't force those people to accept their terms.
I state this because of Brad's comments about ticket links being ok to change.

Let's assume a venue has more than one ticket vendor (plenty of them do) and someone posts one. Should that be deleted in favor of one of the other links against the wishes or intent of the original poster?
I don't think that would be proper, and see no right for it to be done.
Z. won't, she's said so, but as a matter of principle, think that should be said.

As a matter of fact, I don't like certain vendors much, because of their high fees (often about 20%), and only use them when they're the only vendor. So I wouldn't make any effor to add a link to that site if an alternate existed (like t-fly or RA, that only charge about 12%), and think it should be left alone in whatever form it's in.

(oh, and I'll still do my best to fill up the new events site with stuff you might find totally uninteresting )

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Originally posted by euphoria I wasn't responding to you, that was in response to benjamin1forty's comment where he said being both a mod and promoter was a conflict of interests. As for the message. I didn't get a message from you recently. When was this? I mean it's not like you don't have my # or my facebook too lol If you don't hear from me on here you are welcome to hit me up on the phone or fb and I wouldn't mind. In response to promoting on facebook, it's quite ineffective for promotion these days unless you pay to promote your posts. Ok, I see what you are saying here and I am not trying to be unfair or take any credit away from you creating the thread. In the future I will leave the OP's comment there and create a divider and just add additional information below the original post if it's necessary. I think that should be enough of a compromise to resolve the issue.

i sent it to your pm few weeks ago on ta. it wasnt a serious issue (especially now) so i did not pursue it by other means.

im fine with that. like i said, it was mainly because my post were deleted. i am not really in it to get credit for the thread or want any recognition. i simply make threads of parties that interest me along with other friends i have here on this forum.

Can someone give me the cliff notes on this thread and how does this topic get essays in replies yet the thread about summer activities is full of hookers and blow

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Originally posted by EarnYourKeep hookers and blow

short and succinct there.
what more do you need to enjoy the weather?

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Originally posted by xpand3r event promoters and venues owns threads now? i was under assumption this was a online discussion forum where one could talk about music. i still think its absurd to delete's ones comments and replace it with your ticket purchase links. it seems like thats the most important thing nowadays. there was enough informtion on the original thread as far as i know. i did say where it was and date of the party. when you make a thread, it doesnt say that you have to include ticket links. in fact this party had no ticket links originally because of all that unnecessary endless/sankeys ticket sales codes. i have made numerous threads about many parties on this bulletin board before. but none of them was deleted then replace with other people's comments before. im not trying to start an argument over here but i feel like its not right for someone to be a moderator and a huge promoter on the same bulletin board, there i said it. no more event making threads from me, i will leave that to official posters on this forum

This, there are PLENTY of online resources for promoters to promote their parties. TA is cool because it allows MUSIC fans the ability to share opinions and information about music. If I want to be bombarded with spam from official promoters, I'll just go to sites like wantickets.com or even Facebook.

"Owning" a thread. What a joke. Go fuck yourself.

damn this is serious

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Originally posted by EarnYourKeep damn this is serious

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