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-- just had my new hard drive fail - backup people!

just had my new hard drive fail - backup people!

just learning a harsh lesson that I already should have learned!
Have lost the last months work due to a HD failure..

more annoyingly it's creamed my samples and sounds folder which i haven't backed up for ages.

learn from my despair, back up now!

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Yeah, backing up is important. Sorry for your loss, it always sucks to lose data.

Locally I have all my music stuff on a Storage Spaces Mirrored (better version of Raid 1 when used with ReFS) ReFS array and im running File History on it as well. All of my really important stuff is pushed to a remove server automatically Seafile. Even if files are deleted or overwritten, I can restore them via File History or the remote the Seafile web interface. Incase all of that fails, I take disk level snapshots of my Seafile server hosted on Amazon EC2 on a monthly basis and you have to have my cell phone authenticator to even login to Amazon in the first place to access the snaphsots

Don't forget your SURGE PROTECTOR

yeah I lost most of my new projects, shit sucks.

yep just bought a new 1tb from amazon, realized I'm still using firewire drives from 10 years ago for time machine, probably not the best idea

also going to start backing up to dvd and bringing those in to work. Still don't know how I feel about the cloud

New SSD is next but I think I've still got time on this one, bought it new in 2011. Next one will be much greater capacity since the price per gig has gone down considerably since then

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Originally posted by meriter yep just bought a new 1tb from amazon, realized I'm still using firewire drives from 10 years ago for time machine, probably not the best idea also going to start backing up to dvd and bringing those in to work. Still don't know how I feel about the cloud New SSD is next but I think I've still got time on this one, bought it new in 2011. Next one will be much greater capacity since the price per gig has gone down considerably since then

Cloud is a good "supplement" to your normal backup. For example, what if you house burnt down or got broken into? You would want stuff in the cloud.

If you have a local backup and a cloud backup, you have all your bases covered in case of disaster.

Raid 1 is your friend.

RAID 1 is your friend but its not a replacement for a backup.

http://serverfault.com/questions/28...id-not-a-backup

I'm gonna use my usb stick because i'm not going buy another external drive to back up my back up

I know I've posted it a millions times on here, but as a wise (and very famous musican) man said to me after I lost a 5 hour session of him playing:

"There are two types of engineers in this world; Those who have lost data, and those who are about to".

Never were truer words spoken.

I have two drives for backups, which have identical backups on them. So if my main internal drive fails, I've got two copies.

Then, I have the really essential (as Danny Tenaglia put it, "throw yourself off the nearest building if I lose that") data on my dropbox account.

The only shit you can't replace is the sentimental stuff like photos of you with loved ones, or a few great tracks or mixes that you made. Make sure that shit is on a DVD or better still tape backup, and send it to your parents/workplace/somewhere else secure.

The HD on my Mini died about two months ago, I had nothing saved. I still don't have everything back that I had for music production, and since the HD has to be taken apart to be able to get anything off of it, I doubt I'll ever see the porn I had on there again.

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Originally posted by djnitride RAID 1 is your friend

In my experience (as a sysadmin) RAID 1 on the average shitty commodity raid controller is even LESS reliable than just one drive. You really have to invest in proper server grade stuff to get the benefit. Cheap controllers do all kinds of insane head thrashing that kills drives.

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Originally posted by echosystm In my experience (as a sysadmin) RAID 1 on the average shitty commodity raid controller is even LESS reliable than just one drive. You really have to invest in proper server grade stuff to get the benefit. Cheap controllers do all kinds of insane head thrashing that kills drives.

I have had better luck with software raid myself, specifically ZFS RaidZ1 and Mirrored Storage Spaces with ReFS on Server 2012 / Windows 8. I rate both of them highly because they close the RAID write hole by using copy on write. Linux md raid has been a mixed bag for me not because any type of wierd thrashing, but because its given me trouble rebuilding the array before in RAID10 mode. I was ultimately able to fix the server after about half a day of downtime... yeah, not fun. Had similar experiences with you using cheapo Hardware / Fake RAID.

Ask ralphie about my backup.

3 x 16 TB or audio computers
Have a schedule I do backups.
3 redundancies and then the actual drives in the computer.

One set is in a fire resistant safe


And soon to have everything on cloud.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Ask ralphie about my backup. 3 x 16 TB or audio computers Have a schedule I do backups. 3 redundancies and then the actual drives in the computer. One set is in a fire resistant safe And soon to have everything on cloud.

Make sure the cloud solution you go with keeps your data in at least two/three different physical locations. Amazon S3 works this way by default. The chances of them not losing your data is like 99.999999999%. A meteor is more likely to hit and destroy the earth than them losing your data, provided they stay in business

Not sure what the more consumer oriented cloud storage (Dropbox etc) policy is on that.

If you also need protection from electronic theft, you should encrypt your backups before sending them to the cloud that way a rogue employee can't do any damage, though many providers such as Amazon are very strict about limiting employee access to data.

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Originally posted by echosystm In my experience (as a sysadmin) RAID 1 on the average shitty commodity raid controller is even LESS reliable than just one drive. You really have to invest in proper server grade stuff to get the benefit. Cheap controllers do all kinds of insane head thrashing that kills drives.

Raid 1 is just a cheapo way to have a mirrored backup. I'm not saying it's the best way to back up files, let alone in a business\IT environment. But for home use or single workstation it provides some redundancy for failed storage drives.

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Originally posted by junkproject Raid 1 is just a cheapo way to have a mirrored backup. I'm not saying it's the best way to back up files, let alone in a business\IT environment. But for home use or single workstation it provides some redundancy for failed storage drives.

RAID 1 is an uptime solution, not a backup solution. Big difference. Don't use the word backup, or you'll have peeps on your case.

A simple backup tool like Time Machine is superior to RAID 1 for home or office use.

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Originally posted by clay i backup everything as good as i can manually: - all project files are zipped weekly and uploaded to a cloud network drive in my own country. they arent so big as i dont include samples into the projects, so basically its only midi data. - all my renders/masters are locally on my harddrive, on an external usb drive in a firesafe, and from time to time i burn out some DVDs to keep at my parents house. if i die, everything is available for my family to listen to while grieving, then ive also made a letter than explains that everythings to be released somehow. supersafe.

Lol, I would have thought you needed one of these (I sure as shit know Richie does):



All this talk of RAID though as backup, unless things have changed(?), is a terrible idea as Echosystem pointed out;

You actually double the chances of something going wrong - two drives = double the chances of failure. Sure, it won't mean down time, but it 's not a good backup solution.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought software RAID wan't worth the disk space it used up?

I don't have much custom sample data or recorded audio tracks. Most projects are MIDI based with only a few actual audio tracks so backing up is as easy as alternatively saving to two separate hard drives.
I don't bother to backup my system drive so it does mean if it fails I will lose about a week installing everything again.

Is there anything like Time Machine for Windows where I can configure what needs to be backed up and what doesn't?

I should be ok though as long as Godzilla doesn't crush my 'puter.

Haven't ran any backups as of lately. Maybe I should

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Originally posted by DJ RANN All this talk of RAID though as backup, unless things have changed(?), is a terrible idea as Echosystem pointed out; You actually double the chances of something going wrong - two drives = double the chances of failure. Sure, it won't mean down time, but it 's not a good backup solution. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought software RAID wan't worth the disk space it used up?

First of all, the chances of failure are only double if you use RAID 0. RAID 0 stripes the data between two drives for additional performance and larger individual volume size over using two separate drives.

There is no difference in space used between hardware and software raid. There is difference in spaces used between the different RAID levels. The only RAID level that doesn't sacrifice any drive space is RAID 0 (which doubles your rate of total data loss).

RAID 1 isn't a backup but generally it does mean you can have one drive die of a mechanical/electrical failure and you won't have to restore everything from a backup. You just put another drive in and rebuild the array.

The reason RAID (besides RAID 0) is not a backup is fairly simple, it only protects you against drive failure. It does jack shit against accidental deletion, ransomware like cryptolocker, bugs wiping out your filesystem, etc. Not to mention it offers no additional protection against theft or natural disasters (only remote backup can offer that).

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Also one more thing to note is that RAID 2,3,4 and 5 should be considered obsolete. This includes X0 variations as well. The reason for RAID 5 being obsolete is a recent development. The rebuilding process is very likely to fail with RAID 5 because while the amount of storage has increased, the rate of URE (Uncorrectable Read Error) has stayed constant. Basically you are likely to have a URE while rebuilding your array which can make the process fail.

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Originally posted by Mel David I don't have much custom sample data or recorded audio tracks. Most projects are MIDI based with only a few actual audio tracks so backing up is as easy as alternatively saving to two separate hard drives. I don't bother to backup my system drive so it does mean if it fails I will lose about a week installing everything again. Is there anything like Time Machine for Windows where I can configure what needs to be backed up and what doesn't? I should be ok though as long as Godzilla doesn't crush my 'puter.

Windows 8 has File History which is basically the same thing as Time Machine. I use it as one of my online backup solutions and it works great.

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