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Art history teacher today during break was talking about how she got hit on at a bar during a meeting with a colleague the day before and the guy came up to her and asked her if she was Asian (she is half Japanese, half white).
This guy in the back goes "why were you at the bar?"
She replies "thats where we decided to meet."
He goes "well you should have expected to be hit on then."
Fucking whole class (mostly girls, mostly young idealistic girls [not that there is anything wrong with idealism, but just giving a sense of how vocal they are]) just go "what the fuck!? NO YOU DID NOT JUST SAY THAT!" and he then was ripped apart in class by pretty much everyone.
BTG, your sister would have been proud.
Yea, honestly it was a bit of an over reaction, the problem was it sounded close both in wording and contextually to the "well you were asking to get raped."
Actually wait, thats what he said, he didn't say expected, he said asking.
Now that I think about it thats pretty bad...
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby asked her if she was Asian |
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| Originally posted by FuzzQi Who the fuck goes up to a stranger and does that lol |
What does this have to do with Feminism? What the guy said was incredibly stupid. No, not everyone needs to be treated like a delicate little flower, but asking someone about their race as an opening line smacks of fetishism, and as an approach, is harassment. I am not saying this guy should go to jail or something, nor that there wasn't overreaction from the class, but how we speak to others matters.
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| Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On What does this have to do with Feminism? What the guy said was incredibly stupid. No, not everyone needs to be treated like a delicate little flower, but asking someone about their race as an opening line smacks of fetishism, and as an approach, is harassment. I am not saying this guy should go to jail or something, nor that there wasn't overreaction from the class, but how we speak to others matters. |
The fact that you are framing this as a feminist issue when it has so very much more to do with racial fetishism is why people overreact to such attitudes. The obtrusion of idiotic statements like "she was asking for it!" is really surface level lack of common sense, and the issues that feminist philosophy takes to task are nested far beneath this narrative.
It was both, and the racial fetishism was acknowledged in class as well, but the anger by everyone in class was directed at the kid in class saying the "she was asking for it" type of comment.
Honestly I felt the most awkward and unsettling part was when she did the one sided dialog of the guy hitting on her using me as her in the conversation... Definitely one of the more odd teachers I've had. 
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby It was both, and the racial fetishism was acknowledged in class as well, but the anger by everyone in class was directed at the kid in class saying the "she was asking for it" type of comment. |
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| Honestly I felt the most awkward and unsettling part was when she did the one sided dialog of the guy hitting on her using me as her in the conversation... Definitely one of the more odd teachers I've had. |
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| Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Ahahaha, she smelled the weeb on you! |
Always request zhe/zhim/zher with those people. They couldn't possibly remember to not fuck that up- then you get to feign outrage and everyone pays attention!
It's a disease for self-centered spoiled princesses with victim complexes who have quite literally no problems, so in order to fuel their need to constantly convince everyone they're opressed in order to get things handed to them with no effort on their part, they need to constantly invent problems for themselves. It also makes for a convenient excuse to never take responsibility for your poor decisions or accept that you're not 100% perfect.
"I cheated on my boyfriend with 3 guys, but I can get away with it because I'm liberated! Don't call me a slut! You're oppressing me!"
In a nutshell, this is feminism.
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| Originally posted by kosmotika It's a disease for self-centered spoiled princesses with victim complexes who have quite literally no problems, so in order to fuel their need to constantly convince everyone they're opressed in order to get things handed to them with no effort on their part, they need to constantly invent problems for themselves. It also makes for a convenient excuse to never take responsibility for your poor decisions or accept that you're not 100% perfect. "I cheated on my boyfriend with 3 guys, but I can get away with it because I'm liberated! Don't call me a slut! You're oppressing me!" In a nutshell, this is feminism. |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby It's like libertarianism for girls. |
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| Originally posted by kosmotika It's a disease for self-centered spoiled princesses with victim complexes who have quite literally no problems, so in order to fuel their need to constantly convince everyone they're opressed in order to get things handed to them with no effort on their part, they need to constantly invent problems for themselves. It also makes for a convenient excuse to never take responsibility for your poor decisions or accept that you're not 100% perfect. "I cheated on my boyfriend with 3 guys, but I can get away with it because I'm liberated! Don't call me a slut! You're oppressing me!" In a nutshell, this is feminism. |
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| Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On What a disappointing comparison. Libertarianism is a valid (though fanciful) philosophy that has been taken to idiotic heights by a conspicuously white and conspicuously male population. The entitlement and ensuing persecution complex harboured by these people is fucking insane, and it is precisely the sort of consolidation of the status quo that many feminists would love nothing more than to dismantle-- but then they're scoffed at and marginalized as if there's simply no problem to address at all, and we're all gaslighted into branding such passion as 'militant'; like I mentioned before, the language you use (not just you, I do it as well) is symptomatic of feminism's necessity. |
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| Originally posted by kosmotika It's a disease for self-centered spoiled princesses with victim complexes who have quite literally no problems, so in order to fuel their need to constantly convince everyone they're opressed in order to get things handed to them with no effort on their part, they need to constantly invent problems for themselves. It also makes for a convenient excuse to never take responsibility for your poor decisions or accept that you're not 100% perfect. "I cheated on my boyfriend with 3 guys, but I can get away with it because I'm liberated! Don't call me a slut! You're oppressing me!" In a nutshell, this is feminism. |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby I didn't brand it as militant. I thought the guy deserved the tear down he got, it was a stupid thing to say. |
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| In regards to libertarianism there are radicals in both libertarianism and feminism that use persecution, real or perceived as a cloak for their own failings. |
Some radical feminism for ya:
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| PIV [penis in vagina] is always rape, ok? Just to recall a basic fact: Intercourse/PIV is always rape, plain and simple. This is a developed recap from what I�ve been saying in various comments here and there in the last two years or so. as a radfem I�ve always said PIV is rape and I remember being disappointed to discover that so few radical feminists stated it clearly. How can you possibly see it otherwise? Intercourse is the very means through which men oppress us, from which we are not allowed to escape, yet some instances of or PIV and intercourse may be chosen and free? That makes no sense at all. First, well intercourse is NEVER sex for women. Only men experience rape as sexual and define it as such. Sex for men is the unilateral penetration of their penis into a woman (or anything else replacing and symbolising the female orifice) whether she thinks she wants it or not � which is the definition of rape: that he will to do it anyway and that he uses her and treats her as a receptacle, in all circumstances � it makes no difference to him experiencing it as sexual. That is, at the very least, men use women as useful objects and instruments for penetration, and women are dehumanised by this act. It is an act of violence. As FCM pointed out some time ago, intercourse is inherently harmful to women and intentionally so, because it causes pregnancy in women. The purpose of men enforcing intercourse regularly (as in, more than once a month) onto women is because it�s the surest way to cause pregnancy and force childbearing against our will, and thereby gain control over our reproductive powers. There is no way to eliminate the pregnancy risk entirely off PIV and the mitigating and harm-reduction practices such as contraception and abortion are inherently harmful, too. Reproductive harms of PIV range from pregnancy to abortion, having to take invasive, or toxic contraception, giving birth, forced child bearing and rearing and all the complications that go with them which may lead up to severe physical and emotional damage, disability, destitution, illness, or death (See factcheckme.wordpress.com for her work on the reproductive harms of PIV, click on the �intercourse series� page or �PIV� in the search bar). If we compare this to even the crappiest online definition of violence: �behaviour involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something�. Bingo. It fits: Pregnancy = may hurt, damage or kill. Intercourse = a man using his physical force to penetrate a woman. Intention / purpose of the act of intercourse = to cause pregnancy. PIV is therefore intentional harm / violence. Intentional sexual harm of a man against a woman through penile penetration = RAPE. If we look at the act in more detail (skip this parag if you can�t take it), PIV is a man mounting on a woman to thrust a large member of himself into her most intimate parts, often forcing her to be entirely naked, banging himself against her with the whole weight of his body and hips, shaking her like he would stuff a corpse, then using her insides as a receptacle for his penile dejection. How is this a normal civilised, respectful way to treat anyone? Sorry for the explicit picture, but this is what it is and it�s absolutely revolting and violating. The term �fuck you� is not an insult for nothing, men know why � it�s the worst thing you can do to a human being. It is in itself an extremely physically invasive act, very often painful, generally at the beginning before the pain may be cut off by the genital arousal; causes all sorts of tears, bruises, swelling, discomfort, STDs, vaginal infections, urinary infections, genital warts, HIV and death. Not to forget the additional sado-gynecological interventions/ costs of PIV-maintenance, and all the secondary physical mutiliation and financial costs that go with our duty to make ourselves look decorative for male sexual consumption � such as hair removal, make-up, starvation or forced feeding, torturous limb deforming or cutting up, etc. The fact intercourse causes so many infections and tears and warts attests to the unnaturalness of intercourse, that it�s not meant to be. The vagina�s primary function isn�t to be penetrated by a penis but to eject a baby for birth. They are two muscle tissues / sphincters pressed against each other to help the baby be pushed out. Penetration of the penis into the vagina is completely unnecessary for conception. There�s a reason men need to groom us into it, and why this grooming takes so long- because it�s so grossly violating and traumatising that we would otherwise never submit to intercourse. The only reason we may now not feel raped or have the impression we desired or initiated PIV, is because men broke down our barriers very skillfully and progressively from birth, breaking down our natural defences to pain and invasion, our confidence in our own perceptions and sensations of fear and disgust that tell us male sexual invasion is painful, harmful and traumatic. Through an all-pervasive and powerful male propaganda, they stuff our minds from infancy with the idea that PIV is normal, desirable and erotic, before we can even conceive of it as something horrifying, and make sure we never see any alternative to their lie � or that if we do, we can no longer take in the information, are punished for thinking and saying otherwise. The fact we may not immediately feel raped doesn�t mean it�s not rape, objectively speaking. To give a classic example, many women in prostitution may not identify the act of prostitution as rape, except if the act wasn�t paid for. It doesn�t stop us from saying that all prostitution is rape. We know that our subjective feelings or thoughts may be colonised by men�s perspectives and as radical feminists we don�t let that override and erase the objective reality of violence. (PS -The reason why ONLY the lack of payment is defined as rape is because the offence here isn�t against the prostituted woman but the pimp who was deprived of his income. Rape comes from rapt, which is an old word for theft of woman-as-property.) Lastly, from a structural point of view, as a class oppressed by men, we are not in any position of freedom to negotiate what men do to us collectively and individually within the heterocage. Men, by whom we are possessed, colonised and held captive, are the sole agents and organisers of PIV. Men dominate us precisely so we can�t opt out of sexual abuse by them; intercourse is the very means through which men subordinate us, the very purpose of their domination, to control human reproduction. |
If that isn't a troll I have a feeling posts like this justify the need to teaching reproductive health in school. I am 100% sure that person thinks (if it is real) that babies come from storks.
Yepppp, some people just don't get it. But this sort of thing happens in every body of work given sufficient contributors. I'll be paying attention when this writer blows up a Hooters.
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby If that isn't a troll I have a feeling posts like this justify the need to teaching reproductive health in school. I am 100% sure that person thinks (if it is real) that babies come from storks. |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby If that isn't a troll I have a feeling posts like this justify the need to teaching reproductive health in school. I am 100% sure that person thinks (if it is real) that babies come from storks. |
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| Originally posted by Vector A I guess they could all be taking the piss, though. |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby everyone share what gender pronouns they preferred having used |
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