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Deadmau5 Disses A State Of Trance, Armin Van Buuren Fires Back

HA! Click on the link to read the tweets. Armin invites Deadmau5 to ASOT700 to show what "trance" is.



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http://www.djmag.ca/blog/2014/07/11...n-buuren-fires/
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Guess who�s at it again?

In the latest in a seemingly endless series of unrelenting tweets targeting anyone and everyone in the EDM scene, Deadmau5 took aim at the modern trance sound and in particular Armin Van Buuren�s famed A State of Trance series, calling it �as much �trance� as Nelson Mandela is indie punk�.

The Mau5�s intent was pretty clear, and was clarified further by way of a number of subsequent tweets in which he called to mind the genre�s early days as favourable to the likes of Van Burren and Tiesto.

�Settle down kids, I�m not picking fights. Love what u want. The version of �trance� in my head is more antiquated than adagio for strings k?� He continued in response to a largely indignant Twitter audience coming to Van Buuren�s defense.

Van Burren recently shot back with a tweet of his own challenging Deadmau5 to step up and tell everyone what�s what.

The whole debacle has us at DJ Mag Canada taking bids on who the Mau5 sets his sights on next.

You can read the exchange in greater detail below:

I was actually going to just post about this.

To Deadmau5' defense, what Armin is playing isn't trance. I know Armin is trying to hold onto the trance genre as hard as he can, even saying 'trance' is up to interpretation and how the sound has evolved, yadda yadda.

No, trance is still trance.

Armin has evolved from a trance DJ to a DJ that places other genres. It's not the trance genre that's evolved, but the DJ that has actually evolved.

GPC

I think people are taking this way to seriously. Looks like he (Deadmau5) is just playing around. I actually like Deadmau5's dickish attitude these days and I agree with him. A lot of current trance is anything but trance. By and large, if it has a drop, it's not trance. And all those shitty builds. Ugh. ASOT is A State Of Trouse. Not saying Armin or any of the other festival "trance" headliners don't know how to play good trance, they just aren't. Yes, they will bust out a GIA set once in a while to shut up the complainers but what about the rest of the time. You want to see what real trance is, check out the Luminosity lineup. That is trance with maybe the exception of Andy Moor. This is all strictly in my old world fart's opinion.

I think it's all funny, but in the end if he's going to talk-the-talk...then he should walk-the-walk. If he knows what Trance is...and wants to call other people out, whether jokingly or not, he should be ready to prove he knows what he's talking about.

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Originally posted by DaveT I think it's all funny, but in the end if he's going to talk-the-talk...then he should walk-the-walk. If he knows what Trance is...and wants to call other people out, whether jokingly or not, he should be ready to prove he knows what he's talking about.

So by the same terms, I should be able to produce or DJ a trance set because I say what Armin is playing isn't trance?

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Originally posted by GPC So by the same terms, I should be able to produce or DJ a trance set because I say what Armin is playing isn't trance?

the funny thing is, i've seen armin reply to people that tweet that to him, and he says, and you decide what trance is because?

that's armins issue, he thinks 'trance' music can be interpreted into other genres.

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Originally posted by modthispny the funny thing is, i've seen armin reply to people that tweet that to him, and he says, and you decide what trance is because? that's armins issue, he thinks 'trance' music can be interpreted into other genres.

Ha ha yeah, I've seen that too. And by other DJ's as well. Gareth Emery comes to mind. So I guess we should just be saying they are playing shit because how could they argue with that? Both ways of saying it are obviously our opinion but he seems to be ignorant to that fact.

But the crowds at festivals love it so who are we to say anything Guess what, the crowds love Paris Hilton too. Doesn't mean shit. They are there to party and party they will!

two non-relevant DJs walk into a bar...

(they're both just looking for publicity, IMO, which threads like this and the article linked in OP is giving them)

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Originally posted by jonmitz two non-relevant DJs walk into a bar... (they're both just looking for publicity, IMO, which threads like this and the article linked in OP is giving them)

i think as far as mainstream popularity, AVB and Deadmau5 are still quite relevant.

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Originally posted by GPC Ha ha yeah, I've seen that too. And by other DJ's as well. Gareth Emery comes to mind. So I guess we should just be saying they are playing shit because how could they argue with that? Both ways of saying it are obviously our opinion but he seems to be ignorant to that fact. But the crowds at festivals love it so who are we to say anything Guess what, the crowds love Paris Hilton too. Doesn't mean shit. They are there to party and party they will!

yep, Paris hilton can DJ and the crowd will go crazy for her.

the issue is also, DJs use the crowds reaction as positive-reinforcement, so they think, 100k people are going crazy at what i'm playing, so i must be doing something right, and they continue to play this crap, even though it's absolute garbage.

I'll ALWAYS respect Markus Schulz, but more and more he's sounding a lot like W&W with the buildups and 'rave anthems', like the following.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9I_2sDIAAc

recently i've been listening to AVB's ASOT 650 warm-up sets, i know, ironic, and old 2004-2006 AVB and Markus Sets...i've just recently discovered these so have some time to enjoy them.

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Originally posted by modthispny i think as far as mainstream popularity, AVB and Deadmau5 are still quite relevant.

as far as I'm concerned, they are completely irrelevant to the state of electronic music. i could care less if they are relevant to the scene, the population in general is stupid when it comes to music (guess I should be careful what i say here...) and will take whatever you spoon feed them.

neither of them is contributing anything unique, or even interesting, anymore. (psst... deadmau5 never was lol)

e: and i regret posting this. oh well! #internet

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Originally posted by jonmitz as far as I'm concerned, they are completely irrelevant to the state of electronic music. i could care less if they are relevant to the scene, the population in general is stupid when it comes to music (guess I should be careful what i say here...) and will take whatever you spoon feed them. neither of them is contributing anything unique, or even interesting, anymore. (psst... deadmau5 never was lol) e: and i regret posting this. oh well! #internet

ohhh, 100%.

when i mean relevant, i mean to the scene.

GPC

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Originally posted by modthispny I'll ALWAYS respect Markus Schulz, but more and more he's sounding a lot like W&W with the buildups and 'rave anthems', like the following. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9I_2sDIAAc

Oh no. Markus's #2 fan's is beginning to fade. Markus better get back to Avalon and give us an open to close to return the faith.

Re: GPC

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Originally posted by GPC Oh no. Markus's #2 fan's is beginning to fade. Markus better get back to Avalon and give us an open to close to return the faith.

haha, who's #1? Michelle?

and #2? not sure anymore, some of those So.cal coldharbour/markus groupies are pretty

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Originally posted by modthispny haha, who's #1? Michelle?

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Originally posted by modthispny and #2? not sure anymore, some of those So.cal coldharbour/markus groupies are pretty

Fan and groupie/stalker are two different things.

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Originally posted by modthispny haha, who's #1? Michelle? and #2? not sure anymore, some of those So.cal coldharbour/markus groupies are pretty

I'll tell you who #1, #2, #3 etc are.... It's the girls he bones down with after his shows!
Some of which are/were TA members.

Slaying mad pussy, not dragons!

GPC

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Originally posted by bigperf I'll tell you who #1, #2, #3 etc are.... It's the girls he bones down with after his shows! Some of which are/were TA members. Slaying mad pussy, not dragons!

Dragons? You mean unicorns? And you seem pretty obsessed with who Markus is slaying. You constantly bring it up. Who really cares?

After and open to close set, how does Markus still have the energy to slay them unicorns... Is he on the ferry dust? Whatever it is, I want an open to close set now!

Armin ruined trance and EDM. Fuck that dutch bitch

he needs to go back to playing clubs. All of them actually need to play club more often. Too many festival whores looking for the big $$

The irony of EDM


Armin is now playing big room EDM trouse/pop


Deadmou5ey now playing 2x4 sets with Hawtin










At least Armin's ASOT 666 was sick psy/tech/trance

90s kids who grew up with Union Jack, Art Of Trance, and Nostrum will think that is what REAL trance is.

2000s kids who grew up with Darude, ATB, and System F will think thats what REAL trance is.

2010 kids who grew up with Dash Berlin, W&W, Gareth Emery, and Avicii will think thats what REAL trance is.


Yawn. Rinse & Repeat.

Apparently the best way to slay a unicorn is to bore it to death through rising half-step buildups, obnoxious snare drums on every beat, and buzzy supersaw melodies.

/awaits the shitstorm to follow

I can agree with that Saphyre, but to me trance has always been about delivering a feeling of salvation and not celebration like it is now. That's how I've been explaining it at least. Like church for the non-religious.

I am in the middle when it comes to trance.
I love the classic trance sound that isnt some stupid buildup to the same lame drop that is used with mainstream electro house music.
But I do love the harder trance (psytrance, 138+ BPM).
For me, if you brought back old school blank and jones, cosmic gate, rank 1, svenson & gielen, etc. I would be the happiest person out there.
And yes those names are considered cheesy back then, but I love that sound. Whereas I cant do a single cosmic gate track now. Progressive vocal snoozefest

To agree with everyone here, new trance doesn't stir any emotion.

What brought me to trance was the deep, euphoric connection you get listening to a track or set after hearing it for the 2nd...3rd...4th time and loving it more and more each time.

"New" trance is too easily digestible, appealing to the instant gratification of internet attention spans... and I've fell victim to it as well by not giving any new tune a chance if it doesn't wow me quick enough. I think while the music is getting worse, we are also getting older and less patient to appreciate the connection that needs time to build between you and a good trance track.

So it's a two way street, and I believe this is why everyone can remember good music when they were younger but then all the current music sounds shitty -- we can't commit the time to appreciate the music. That, and not much deep euphoric music is being created anymore because it's not easy to swallow. Because I can't kid myself, most of the new stuff out there is cheesy and cheap.

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