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Something decent from Bedrock?

Just talking about the Poolside/Daytime mix - samples sound nice

the 1st cd looks amazing... the first tracks are breaks/downtempo, so i want to see how he mixed with "dreams"

the miami underground series is great, seems really low key. there are three so far - all three worth checking out...

looking forward the ibiza edition. looks really similar to the miami ones, though that isn't a criticism.

is bedrock releasing the john dopping remix of heaven scent?

more like this would be good. (i mean style not just remixes of classics)

Yeah, It's usually the downtempo disc of your average Bedrock compilation that's most worth listening to. Been that way for nearly ten years, now.

For the last ten years, downtempo Bedrock discs have done an excellent job of putting me to sleep.

If you think those are dull, then try listening to the second disc of these things.

Honestly there have been some great Bedrock releases (non-ambient) in the last several years. However, as with 99% of the labels in existence right now, you have to wade through the shit to find them.

Well yeah, I'm referring to the compilation as a whole, which is relevant considering that very few of them are issued in unmixed format. There's always a gem or two to be found on any given Bedrock compilation, but their track-record throughout the past decade hasn't made listening to them from beginning to end a worthwhile endeavor.

...with the exception of the downtempo/chillout mix usually attached to their multi-disc compilations- something that I recall beginning with the first 'Layered Sounds' edition in 2004, and continues today with 'Structures' and anything that isn't a Digweed mix per se.

you sound like you are living in the past.

bedrock dont do a downtempo disc anymore. maybe starts off with a few slower warm-up tracks, but not downtempo, ambient or chilled.

bedrock 14 was released in only unmixed format.

bedrock 11 is an excellent compliation, both discs are packed with amazing club tracks.

you should check out the 3 miami underground mixes is you are looking for quality bedrock, not your usually pounding stuff.

bedrock have moved on with the industry, you need to realise that. unless there's some magic imprint that's releasing the kind of tracks bedrock was realising 10 years ago that i don't know about? (in which case fill me in)

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Originally posted by rubez you sound like you are living in the past.

No, just painfully aware of Bedrock's present in relation to its far superior past.

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bedrock dont do a downtempo disc anymore. maybe starts off with a few slower warm-up tracks, but not downtempo, ambient or chilled.

Have you even listened to any of the samples from the compilation that inspired this very thread, or read the description from Bedrock? Maybe you're splitting ambient and chilled hairs from a larger downtempo trunk, but the first disc of this very compilation is entirely reminiscent of the first discs of those same Bedrock compilations I mentioned (maybe a BPM or two faster).

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Originally posted by rubez bedrock 14 was released in only unmixed format.

If that's the only example you can offer, then it sounds like 'very few' to me.

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Originally posted by rubez bedrock 11 is an excellent compliation, both discs are packed with amazing club tracks.

I can't imagine the type of conversation that follows from me disagreeing with this statement is worth either of our time.

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Originally posted by rubez you should check out the 3 miami underground mixes is you are looking for quality bedrock, not your usually pounding stuff.

Isn't that the same reason I just said the downtempo discs were the ones most worth listening to, this compilation included?

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Originally posted by rubez bedrock have moved on with the industry, you need to realise that. unless there's some magic imprint that's releasing the kind of tracks bedrock was realising 10 years ago that i don't know about? (in which case fill me in)

Of course they've moved on with the industry, and I should think that my emphasis on the very noticeable contrast between past and present speaks to my realizing that.

the miami underground series isn't downtempo, but neither is it stomping.

it isn't bedrocks fault the entire industry took a nose dive, quality-wise. they can only work with the talent available - and the genres trending in recent years (most notably minimal and it's offshoots) made good music harder to materialise - since everyone seems to follow the same pattern... anyone producing stuff that bedrock did 10 years ago just would not get any support.

i'm interested... is there any contempory non-ambient compilations worthwhile listening to beginning to end?

maybe you just aren't into club music?

I never said it was stomping, but there's a very obvious, deliberate distinction between the first and second disc, and it's a distinction that's both spelled out in the liner notes and consistent with the way they've been building compilations for nearly a decade (and it's interesting to note that it's usually Digweed who helms the downtempo disc).

And I continue to hesitate in answering your question of 'is there anything better?' head on, because I don't see why I ought to be less critical of Bedrock's uptempo efforts just because the musical world around it has even less appeal (if that's the 'well everything else is just as bad' angle you're taking to this).

you don't need to forgive bedrock, you just have to accept it... the music isn't what it was. they aren't at fault though.

if there were other rival labels consistently shaming them in the quality departemt, then it would be bedrock who has dropped the ball - but i don't believe that to be true.

i think it's getting better though. i see sasha returning to a much more melodic state, and that means those kind of records are back in circulation.

although bedrock have taking a bit of a techno turn in recent years, i hope that's just the dying throws of the stripped-down phase. not that i dislike techno.

At no point did I ever fault Bedrock for the direction they've taken in adapting to a changing scene, and at no point did I ever express a refusal to accept this (on the contrary, I fully acknowledge it, albeit critically). And I also don't think Bedrock dropped the ball, as I don't believe the ball was ever in their court in the first place (nor in the court of any one label). Sure, they've remained a dominant and influential tech house label for years, but they didn't single-handedly dictate the musical trends that would be reflected in their compilations.

But all this context is barely relevant to me finding Bedrock on the dancefloor a mostly dull and flavorless experience that just doesn't warrant a committed listen. Mostly. To both illustrate an exception and answer your earlier question, one of the best tech house/techno compilations of the year (that was entirely worth listening to) just happened to be Digweed's 'Live In Miami:'

http://www.beatport.com/release/joh...n-miami/1303372

i have his live in miami mix. didn't think it was any different to his other 'live in' CDs that he has been churning out recently, which weren't anything special (the usual few gems, as you said) ... still to give it a proper listen though.

also don't kock something before you try i.e. bedrock 11, i felt like that one was wall-to-wall quality (and a double disc) - some of the recent ones like the single-disc bedrock 14 only had ONE decent track, though it was fucking magnificent (robert babicz - eastside)

so the quality does seem all over the place. for my personal preference, anyway.

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Originally posted by rubez also don't kock something before you try i.e. bedrock 11, i felt like that one was wall-to-wall quality (and a double disc) some of the recent ones like the single-disc bedrock 14 only had ONE decent track, though it was fucking magnificent (robert babicz - eastside)

I didn't knock it, I pointed out that it doesn't undermine what I said about very few Bedrock compilations being released in unmixed format, since it was only one example and would seem to support what I said (if you know of many other recent examples, feel free to bring them up).

The standout on 'Live In Miami,' for me, was this bomb:

no, bedrock 14 is the unmixed bedrock. it comes only in unmixed form. not only is it a single disc - but all tracks on it except one are shite. they didn't even have enough tracks to make one quality disc, never mind two.

bedrock 11 has 2 CDs (well, 3 - a bonus unmixed disc of selected tracks) you said you would disagree with my assertion that bedrock 11 was quality - without even hearing it! that sounds like knocking before you try.

also soundcloud doesn't work with this antiquated browser forced upon me - what's the track?

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Originally posted by rubez no, bedrock 14 is the unmixed bedrock. it comes only in unmixed form. not only is it a single disc - but all tracks on it except one are shite. they didn't even have the tracks to make one quality disc, never mind two. bedrock 11 has 2 CDs (well, 3 - a bonus unmixed disc of the best tracks) you said you would disagree with my assertion that bedrock 11 was quality - without even hearing it! that sounds like knocking before you try.

Oh, that's right. My (intended) point was that even if I were to disagree with it, the ensuing conversation is as fruitless as any other 'why this music isn't as good as/is better than you think it is' conversation, and one that I'm certainly not willing to have.

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Originally posted by rubez also soundcloud doesn't work with this antiquated brower forced upon me - what's the track?

Daniel Bortz- Pictures (Tuff City Kids remix)

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Well yeah, I'm referring to the compilation as a whole, which is relevant considering that very few of them are issued in unmixed format. There's always a gem or two to be found on any given Bedrock compilation, but their track-record throughout the past decade hasn't made listening to them from beginning to end a worthwhile endeavor. ...with the exception of the downtempo/chillout mix usually attached to their multi-disc compilations- something that I recall beginning with the first 'Layered Sounds' edition in 2004, and continues today with 'Structures' and anything that isn't a Digweed mix per se.

I don't know. For me the first disc of this is to downtempo what your average Bedrock disc is to tech - immacutately produced but ultimately bland tune-dodging fare, with two or three highlights (notably We Control Everything).

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't know. For me the first disc of this is to downtempo what your average Bedrock disc is to tech - immacutately produced but ultimately bland tune-dodging fare, with two or three highlights (notably We Control Everything).

Yeah, I admit even this one is a bit underwhelming for me as far as chilled Bedrock goes, despite still faring off well into the black; the best recent examples have been the downtempo selections on 'Structures' 1 and 2, and even on the Digweed & Muir 'Vs' compilation (that seemed to just arrive and disappear without much notice).

It's still really 'Layered Sounds' 1 and 2 that continue to hold up spectacularly well for me all this time.

Disc one of the first Layered Sounds is definitely a comedown classic. I've only heard the samples of that Vs downtempo disc but in my opinion it was completely forgettable. I was actually quite excited at the prospect of a whole disc of Digweed and Muir stuff I could use in that kind of set, but even the two minute excerpts bored me to tears.

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Originally posted by rubez bedrock 11 has 2 CDs (well, 3 - a bonus unmixed disc of selected tracks) you said you would disagree with my assertion that bedrock 11 was quality - without even hearing it! that sounds like knocking before you try.

I have Bedrock 10, 11, and Structures; all hard copies. I use disc 1 of 10 to help me fell asleep occasionally. 11 and Structures were listened to once and immediately put onto a shelf. They blow.

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Originally posted by rubez it isn't bedrocks fault the entire industry took a nose dive, quality-wise. they can only work with the talent available - and the genres trending in recent years (most notably minimal and it's offshoots) made good music harder to materialise - since everyone seems to follow the same pattern... anyone producing stuff that bedrock did 10 years ago just would not get any support. i'm interested... is there any contempory non-ambient compilations worthwhile listening to beginning to end? maybe you just aren't into club music?

There is a shit-ton of great club music being produced right now. Just none of it is being made by Bedrock. That is the sad thing - it used to be that almost every release was amazing, now every release is disappointing.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Disc one of the first Layered Sounds is definitely a comedown classic.

I always wished those tracks were released unmixed. I know they're only really sequenced, so it's not too hard to play around with them, but still. Absolutely beautiful stuff.

all hard copies? does that make you an expert or something?

The poolside disk is really good.. haven't heard the second one yet.

review

http://change-underground.com/under...f-ibiza-bedrock

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