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why people hate america...

this is by no means a thread to bash america... i'm not trying to stir up shit... i just want people to read some of the ignorance that prevails in america today..

letters to time magazine, octover 14, 2002:

"It is revealing that most of the Lackawanna Six, accused of being al-Qaeda members, are unemployed underachievers whose loyalty to their country is ambiguous at best, given their religious extremism. Like these disaffected alleged terrorists, many people who live in the Arab world have been on the unemployment line for years. Arab jealousy of Western success and power is the root of the recent terrorism.
RICHARD L. JOHNSON
College Station, Texas"

this is exactly this kind of attitude makes people hate america. i almost pissed myself when i read this. obviously this is not the mentality of the entire nation, but it is the ignorance of a portion of the population. unfortunately, this portion of the population has a loud voice in america, a voice that is amplified 100x by their own president george w. its sad to see that america gets such a bad rap because of the stupidity of a few people (a lot of them in positions of prominence and power), shooting off their mouths. the voices of sanity in america rarely get heard. its unfortunate.

another thing, if i hear someone talk about people who "hate freedom" one more time, i'm gonna explode... nobody hates freedom. that's such a lame excuse... read the letter above and you'll see why people might be driven to attack america... and for the record, osama is a millionaire. its not poverty that drove him to a life of terrorism.

all this foolish talk of war is sending gas prices through the roof... bush needs to shut his trap..

It's not so much the idiots who write that shit as it is the people who read it and assume all Americans think that way. When other people come to realize that more often than not we dont agree with each others political opinions and the stupid shit they read is the minority I'm sure we'd get a lot less hate.

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Originally posted by Nadi It's not so much the idiots who write that shit as it is the people who read it and assume all Americans think that way. When other people come to realize that more often than not we dont agree with each others political opinions and the stupid shit they read is the minority I'm sure we'd get a lot less hate.

its hard to see it as a minority when shit like this appears in TIME, and no one else can chime in with something intelligent to say about the arab world...

of course i KNOW its the minority... i'm just saying, the views of the normal peeps aren't represented in the media... especially with george bush spouting the same crap all over tv and print.

why did you even post this in a new thread instead of posting in one of the 9 zillion "why everyone hates america" threads in chill room?

oh, wait.. thats because they all get locked because it turns into a flame war.. i guess this one wont turn out that way. yea.

People hate america because they are the policemen of the world. American has a way of getting involved in other countries affairs.

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Originally posted by sothis why did you even post this in a new thread instead of posting in one of the 9 zillion "why everyone hates america" threads in chill room? oh, wait.. thats because they all get locked because it turns into a flame war.. i guess this one wont turn out that way. yea.

i never intended to start a flamewar, and i'm not about to start. i'm just expressing my opinion here, based on stuff i've read. if anyone wants to respond intelligently, thats fine. if people are gonna write shit like "america blows goats, bah hahaha" that's not my fault.

let's make something clear here: i don't give a shit if u hate america. there is no justification for killing innocent people.

the minority will rule until the majority votes *fullstop*


if you dont wanna be viewed in such a way then vote for the way you want to be represented.... its a disgrace that so few americans vote!!! and its that lack of political interest that allows the minority (normally with exstremist views) to gain power!!!

the right to vote is one of the most basic yet most important rights you have.. cherish it and use it every chance you have!!!


prove yourselves through the polls!!!

@Time Magazine: its shit, intellegent people don't read it.

Most of the media belives they need to be extremly patriotic, as it was good ratings for a while, thats why all you see is the boneheads. Besides even if that was the majority it's still not reason to hate the hole country. I'm sure theres a lot of people in a lot of countries who do some incredibly stupid shit that I absolutly hate. SO instead of hating on the whole country I only hate the people who act retarded.

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Originally posted by Nadi @Time Magazine: its shit, intellegent people don't read it.

what DO intelligent people read?

Crap.

Another Canadian posting an "anti-American" post.......Though you may not feel this way, posting it at all simply states something.

I've yet to see a thread started regarding America's views on Canada........why?




answer: we really dont care

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i never intended to start a flamewar, and i'm not about to start. i'm just expressing my opinion here, based on stuff i've read. if anyone wants to respond intelligently, thats fine. if people are gonna write shit like "america blows goats, bah hahaha" that's not my fault.

my point is, this is the SAME OLD SHIT that has been posted 30 times in the last month. if you read chill room at all (which im betting you do), you would know that this is a rehash of what about 10 other people besides you have ALREADY POSTED... so why is it, that every time an america bashing thread gets started, that another one like this has to get posted?

*prays the politics forum gets made soon so she can stop seeing this repetitive america hating*

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Another Canadian posting an "anti-American" post/quote] at least im not the only one who sees the broken record. [quote]I've yet to see a thread started regarding America's views on Canada........why? answer: we really dont care

word.

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Originally posted by Excite let's make something clear here: i don't give a shit if u hate america. there is no justification for killing innocent people.

how sadly ironic

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Originally posted by Excite let's make something clear here: i don't give a shit if u hate america. there is no justification for killing innocent people.

unless you accidentally drop a bomb on them...

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Originally posted by Excite there is no justification for killing innocent people.

Innocence is in the eye of the beholder.

I swear you Canadians will never stop crying.....lol


stop it! it just makes you all look so weak and helpless

shouldnt the subject of this thread be

"Why people dislike america" hate is such a strong word

Couldnt you just wait till the new political-forum opened?

"Innocence is in the eye of the beholder."
Hm...what isn't then?

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Hm...what isn't then?

Examples of what would not be in the eye of the beholder include things like phsyical attributes, spatial relationships - almost anything that can be scientifically measured or mechanically analyzed. Basically, any attribute that does not rely on an abstract concept.

Nice. In Theory. Cause following that, I could go out and kill a woman because she smells bad (that would be in the nose of the beholder, i guess?) but i wouldn't be allowed to kill her because I don't like he fact she weighs more than 200 pounds(if it can be measured mechanically that this is not the truth).

Oh COME on.
Why make certain things more complicated that they are? By saying innocence is relative/subjective you justify for example, islamist terrorism which proclaims any non-fundamentalist Muslim as an enemy.

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Originally posted by TranceGiant Nice. In Theory. Cause following that, I could go out and kill a woman because she smells bad (that would be in the nose of the beholder, i guess?) but i wouldn't be allowed to kill her because I don't like he fact she weighs more than 200 pounds(if it can be measured mechanically that this is not the truth).

That's not at all what I'm suggesting. I would merely argue that the killing of people should be treated the same regarless of whether or not those people are considered "innocent" or not. This doesn't mean it has to be tolerated.

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Oh COME on. Why make certain things more complicated that they are? By saying innocence is relative/subjective you justify for example, islamist terrorism which proclaims any non-fundamentalist Muslim as an enemy.

If you want to consider innocence to be an objective attribute, then what criteria do you recommend for evaluating it?

I am not making things more complicated than they are, I'm making them simpler by removing the issue of innocence (which is meaningless rhetoric anyway) from the table which ought to allow us to better evaluate the real issues at hand.

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Originally posted by ProDiGaL how sadly ironic

so true!

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Originally posted by Arbiter That's not at all what I'm suggesting. I would merely argue that the killing of people should be treated the same regarless of whether or not those people are considered "innocent" or not. This doesn't mean it has to be tolerated. If you want to consider innocence to be an objective attribute, then what criteria do you recommend for evaluating it? I am not making things more complicated than they are, I'm making them simpler by removing the issue of innocence (which is meaningless rhetoric anyway) from the table which ought to allow us to better evaluate the real issues at hand.

Checkmate.

J/k .

I as opposed to yu do not think every killing = every killing. I do distinguish. That's exactely where innocence comes into play. Based on simple facts. I don't thinkt he attempt to kill me can be scientifically measuered; nevertheless that's a situation where the person I might kill in order to prevent my own death would NOT be innocent anymore(as in NOT trying to kill me). Innocence/guilt is imo simply based on acts and in how far they break the rules the society agreed on (thouh shall not..em fuck the biblic language: you must't kill f.e.). Considering the circumstences under which murders happened is on of the most natural things of our law.
So to come back to the terrorism issue: Yes those victims were innocent. Why? The claim of the terrosits that they were "evil americans" or just a "legitimate target in a war on the imperialistic means of the USA" is nothing that would justify their attack. Not thinking the same way, not believing in the same things, being part of this or that country/people, is nothing to be guilty of. That would contradcit that human rights which state that every human is eual to the other. Innate right, bla bla

Whatever.

Does it really matter what people say? Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, even if that opinion may seem stereotypical, unethical, or just plain stupid. It always seems like the people who write these type of things are the ones that stand out so therefore it may seem like all Americans think that way. No one ever looks at the Americans who don't say stupid shit. Anyway even if the whole American nation says things like this, it still makes no right to attack or kill people. Killing people solves nothing esp. when you know we are eventually going to retaliate and come back with 10x the force. The USA has back from so many countries and if one country wants to try to blow us up, they are gonna get retaliation from a handful of countries. Terrorism is just plain stupid. Right now in Virginia, we have some sniper on the loose killing random people. Is it really worth killing and ending another life? But as for the people who stereotype Americans for what they aren't, please look at the facts and don't let one person speak for a whole nation.

Peace

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Originally posted by SportTrance Crap. Another Canadian posting an "anti-American" post.......Though you may not feel this way, posting it at all simply states something. I've yet to see a thread started regarding America's views on Canada........why? answer: we really dont care

if you didn't read my post (which i'm guessing you didn't), i'll sum it up in a few words for you.

i was just saying that the racist views of a few in america are over-represented in the media (as illustrated in the letter i quoted), and its giving the rest of the country a bad image. people see america as racist and egocentric. i think your post about not giving a shit about canada serves to prove my point.

nowhere in my post was there anything anti-american, so let's not get all uptight. i guess my thread title is a little misleading though, sorry.

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