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Posted by Tilt on Oct-16-2002 11:12:

vestax or pioneer

hey,

I'm thinking of buying a new mixer but I can't decide which one. I'm doubting between a DJM 500 or a vestax pcv 275 because of the fact that it's cheaper and it gets good ratings. Is there much difference in sound quality etc. between these 2 (appart from the effects on the djm)?


Posted by Luke Terry on Oct-16-2002 11:31:

Cool

I know many people have had trouble recording with the 275 because of weird outputs or something but I don't know personally. I own a 175 and 2 channel faders have buggered and the paint off the faceplate is shedding like there's no tomorrow. I am upgrading to the DJM-600s and I suggest if you have the money you get the 500


Posted by Martin McG on Oct-16-2002 12:35:

from what ive heard the 275 is pretty solid but ive personnally never used one so i cant reall comment! but if it was me id go for the pioneer, maybe even the 600 instead of the 500 if you got the money!


Posted by Haunted on Oct-16-2002 12:53:

i have the 275 and its sweet.


Posted by Technaut on Oct-16-2002 12:55:

if I had the wonga , I would purchase the DJM 600


Posted by Acid Circus on Oct-16-2002 13:08:

Pioneer over Vestax all the way. But having just got my grubby hands on an Allen & Heath X One 62 (At last!) I would highly recommend it. Those filters are an absolute joy to use, I can't get enough of that High Pass filter, lovely. A larger EQ than most with two mid eqs will allow you to get the sound required too.


Posted by SeventhSun on Oct-16-2002 15:02:

I f u like effects get the 500

I own a vestax pcv 175 and it has amazing sound quality, the x fader curve seems to be perfectly suited for trance mixing ultra smooth.


Posted by Devbert on Oct-16-2002 17:11:

Owning the 275 I can say:
- The recording output on the mixer work perfectly.
- The 275 has a different type of finish than the 175 so the paint wont chip.
- Vestax has excellent sound quality


Posted by Tilt on Oct-16-2002 19:01:

hey,

I'd also like to know if there are any differences between the 2 in the quality of the faders and EQ's

btw thanx for all the replies so far


Posted by JohnSmith on Oct-16-2002 20:28:

well, the EQ on the vestax is very good. Some people complain that there is not enough room between the EQ knobs though. It doesn't bother me much, especially because i have the mixer at a slight angle. if you have big hands, it might bug you though.

another thing I have noticed in the difference between the actual EQ ranges is that, the bass on the vestax effects the song a lot more than on the DJMs, ie. the frequency is wider.

so, when you turn down the bass, you take a lot out of the song. likewise, when you turn up the bass it gets a lot louder.

it's not that bad, but it's noticeable.
also, it's not painted, don't worry about chipping.
and it has pans on each channel, something the DJM does not have.
plus kill switches for each EQ, on channels 1 and 3, DJM also doesn't have that.

and most importantly, note, the PCV 275 is way better than the 175, for one key reason, on the 175 you can't hear the EQ changes in the headphones.


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Oct-16-2002 21:11:

a&h xone32 -cheaper than the djm 500 or 600, more expensive than a 275, but kicks em both to the ground :P


Posted by LeVouS on Oct-16-2002 22:29:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
a&h xone32 -cheaper than the djm 500 or 600, more expensive than a 275, but kicks em both to the ground :P





Peace, LeVouS


Posted by Luke Terry on Oct-16-2002 22:46:

Cool

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
well, the EQ on the vestax is very good. Some people complain that there is not enough room between the EQ knobs though. It doesn't bother me much, especially because i have the mixer at a slight angle. if you have big hands, it might bug you though.

another thing I have noticed in the difference between the actual EQ ranges is that, the bass on the vestax effects the song a lot more than on the DJMs, ie. the frequency is wider.

so, when you turn down the bass, you take a lot out of the song. likewise, when you turn up the bass it gets a lot louder.

it's not that bad, but it's noticeable.
also, it's not painted, don't worry about chipping.
and it has pans on each channel, something the DJM does not have.
plus kill switches for each EQ, on channels 1 and 3, DJM also doesn't have that.

and most importantly, note, the PCV 275 is way better than the 175, for one key reason, on the 175 you can't hear the EQ changes in the headphones.


the pots being close 2gether annoy the shit outta me. vestax mid eq sucks arse, and u have pan effects on the DJM which counteracts the individual channel function. and it does suck are not hearin the eq on the 175, but u get used 2 it and it has made me learn my tunes inside out which is a good and bad thing. i still say go pioneer


Posted by DJ Chrono on Oct-17-2002 00:00:

quote:
Originally posted by Haunted
i have the 275 and its sweet.


same. save yourself some money and go for the vestax.


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Oct-17-2002 02:35:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
another thing I have noticed in the difference between the actual EQ ranges is that, the bass on the vestax effects the song a lot more than on the DJMs, ie. the frequency is wider.


it would seem all poorly designed EQ's have this problem -- they Q of the circuit is just poor... not narrow and centered enough.


Posted by mongeone on Oct-17-2002 05:26:

how much is the allen and heath xone 62???? i sent them an email asking them aboput it and they havnt replied!!! whats it like for scratching like curve adjust and all that???? and it has much better sound quality then the pioneer600 right???


Posted by Phu on Oct-17-2002 08:09:

If you got money u should buy the allan & heath xone 62 best sound quality. Pioneer is good but i dont really like the fact that it has a beat counter and shitty effects processor on the djm 600 or the 500. The vestax pcv275 is a really good mixer for the money, good sound, easy to use and great for beginers.


Posted by Phu on Oct-27-2002 07:23:

I choose the pioneer over the vestax anytime.


Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Oct-29-2002 04:01:

quote:
Originally posted by dj phu
If you got money u should buy the allan & heath xone 62 best sound quality. Pioneer is good but i dont really like the fact that it has a beat counter and shitty effects processor on the djm 600 or the 500. The vestax pcv275 is a really good mixer for the money, good sound, easy to use and great for beginers.


yea i hate those canned effects too.. ugh. every dang party i go to some noob is overusing the flanger and autopan :P

the 62 is a great mixer.. the VCFs are handy too.. very handy for transitions. i honestly prefer the 32 though... smaller size, easier to transport, less cluttered.

the xone62 was about $900 last time i got a quote on it a few months ago from www.performanceaudio.com .. most places sell them for more, $1100 or so, but perf audio moves alot of a&h stuff and they are really close to the a&h distributer so they have some phat deals..

the 62 was not meant for scratching.. it's a "mixologists mixer" as was said once on another forum, and is an appropriate description.
there is a mod available from a&h support to make the curve sharper, but it's still not a scratch mixer.


Posted by mongeone on Oct-31-2002 05:17:

f*uck f*uck f*uck k*unt f*uck

i rang up the allen and heath distrubutors in japan yesterday man what the f*uck they said that the xone62 was 230,000yen you know how much that is?????

about $1800us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =[ not happy looks like a pioneer for me dang i didnt want that stupid effects panel crapola!!!!!!!!


unless... are all allen and heath xone62`s the same around the world they just package them with different power adaptors??? or for certain power supplys they have to change some of the inards???? cause ive being told if i wanna take my technics back to australia i have to buy some really expensive convertors... which basically make it uneconomical!!! ive being told i hjave to do this because japan has really weird power supply!!!! would it be the same for the allena nd heath mixer or what???

cause if not i could just order of a site over seas!!! would be alot cheaper right???

bah me wants allen and heath xone62 mixer =]


Posted by M�bius on Oct-31-2002 07:23:

quote:
Originally posted by MERiDiAN5i2
yea i hate those canned effects too.. ugh. every dang party i go to some noob is overusing the flanger and autopan :P


The effects on the DJM 600 are great....if you know how to use them, plus they added the filter, trans and sampler, and its got 3 fader curve selections. So if you know how to use the effects in conjuction with the EQ on each channel you can do some really crazy shit.

If I had to choose between the Xone 62 or the DJM 500, I'd go with the Xone 62
but between the Xone 62 and DJM 600, its all a matter a preference both mixers are top of the line.


Posted by amdmaxx on Nov-01-2002 01:38:

www.audioeast.com has Xone 62 very cheap.. Under $900..


Posted by mongeone on Nov-01-2002 04:13:

one more question...

friend said that the eqs are heaps close on the xone 62... like how close compared to the pioneer 600???



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