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getting beats for being bad...
Hmm, a 79 year old nun is facing a 5-year sentence in PEI for disciplining some children. Aparently she's charged with assault. I don't know the whole story, but there were no injuries aside from redness and maybe bruises.
I dunno about you guys, but I got beats when I was small, and I turned out fine. I think kids these days need more beats. Of course you can't cross the line, and start breaking bones, but there's nothing wrong with getting slapped for talking back and getting the "chicken feather duster" for being rude.
I'm usually a new-age liberal guy, but this is something we need to keep. Timeout's and go to your rooms don't do shit for me... considering i spent alot of my free time in my room anyways, :P its the beats that talked.
well i was beaten and verbally abused and... i am perfectly fine right now but i think that im fine becuase im a good person and not becuase i was beaten. i dont think i learned anything better becuase i was smacked around and cussed out so i think that form of punishment is primitive. i am 19 years old so i still remember things that i went though pretty well and its a bit scarring if you ask me. its probably different for different people but i will never lay a hand on my kids when i have some... i am going to make them understand what they did wrong instead of beating it into them and then making them hate me or be scared of me.
I disagree. Raising children in such a manner teaches them that violence is a good way to solve problems - it teaches them that might makes right. This might be the easy way to correct behavioral problems in the short term, but in the long run, it could potentially cause far more severe ones.
Of course, it's effectiveness and the associated risks are relative to the personality of the individual child, but as a general rule, I suspect it is an inadvisable mode of operation.
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| Originally posted by Arbiter This might be the easy way to correct behavioral problems in the short term, but in the long run, it could potentially cause far more severe ones. |
Two of my uncle's who are 30 and 32 are still mad at my grandmother for when she beat them when they were younger...shows how much getting beaten sticks in your head. I think my grandmother would hit them with a belt if they did something wrong.
IMO beating kids is really wrong, it may get them to stop doing things but it teaches them violence. There are always other methods for discipline its just that most take time and patience and thats why a lot of parents resort to hitting.
i got a spanking when i did something bad...
i look at kids nowadays... they're carrying guns to school!
fuck, when i was a kid, the only thing i would be sneaking into class was hot wheels
sure some parents take things a little too far
but i look at my little brothers, they get away with shitloads compared to what i endured
my little brother is failing out of high school and shit and he is still walking free
fuck, if that were me i'd be grounded and shit for a long time
i'll be walking down the street and some little 13 year old will start trying to fight me, normally, you'd beat the shit outta him, but nowadays i have to stop and think, "should i? this kid could have a knife or a gun?"
bastards
i say give your kids a spank and send em to their room!
you have to teach them discipline at a young age
none of this, "you did a bad thing! now go have some ice cream and think about what you did"
they need to learn if they do something bad, there will be consequences
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and on top of it, i think the young offenders act should be abolished
if you want to commit a crime like an adult, you'll be tried as one
its true that kids get more violent but i think it has to do with other factors like... media or soemthing. not that its the medias fault but mostly parents fault. theres definitely something that the parents did wrong but its not having to do with methods of punishment when it comes to guns and violence... imo that has to do with the way parents communicate values to their kids.
i used to do martial arts (hapkido) and the master gave us a lot of discipline. It has really helped me be more humble and disciplined. I was usually punched or hit if i didnt have correct manners and such.
i had no violence from my parents 
and i turned out a good person.
I think kids these days need a whopping
i think a balance can be achieved, my cousins got beaten badly (blood noses and the sort) now that was bad and wrong. Me if i did somthing Really bad I usually got a slap, but most of the time it was just lectures and yelling. It shouldnt be about inflicting pain, just teaching a lesson.
you sometimes see kids that are way out of control and somthing as simple as a slap can be a lesson he needs, and when i mean slap i dont mean a mike tyson right hook, just a jesture to show that what they done is bad and your very unhappy with them, so its more mental than physical.
been beaten before, not with a belt or anything
just a couple punches here and there...
its an asian thing hahaha..honestly
kids need discipline. some kinds of discipline cannot be
taught with just "grounding" <-- that shizaa never works
why cant kids just be good.
HOWEVER, i dont think parents should EVER fucking slap a child
regardless of the pain, its just so devastating emotionally/ psychologically for the child. its so humiliating and condescending i hate that feeling.
i called my mother a bitch in 4th grade, in her face.heh
she tried to smack me, i ran for the door, she grabbed whatever was in front of her at the moment and threw it. it hit me on my thigh left me a delicious looking purple bruise for weeks.
did i deserve it? i dont know, she is a snatch. 
i'm all for beatings. i was beaten hardcore as a kid, and now, i really do appreciate them. plus they make fun stories to share with your friends, =P. seriously though, its so sad these days. even asian families are starting this "positive reinforcement" crap. every chinese kid should know and fear the words "gai mo so", but its not the case anymore.
i don't think beatings teach kids violence. they're too young to understand anything else. beatings are all part of conditioning, associating pain with being bad. rewarding your kids with cookies might keep them from playing with the stove, but nothing teaches a better lesson than a good burn. that's just a very stupid extreme case, and i'm using it as an analogy to the whole beating issue.
kids these days are spoiled. they get rewarded for cleaning their rooms. i think think they should get beaten for NOT cleaning their rooms. kids need to be punished for the bad, and rewarded for the good, NOT rewarded for things they SHOULD do. i was reading an article about the increase in add and bipolar disorder a while ago. while some kids may genuinely have a mental problem, a lot of the times its just kids behaving badly. i believe there's a correlation between the decline in beatings and the increase in such problem children.
kids have no respect for authority anymore. they talk back, even swear at their parents. parents are losing control, and it all starts at a young age with beatings. when the child is old enough to be reasoned with, then the beatings should stop and words whould be used so that they will not learn to solve problems with violence.
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| Originally posted by miss_e i called my mother a bitch in 4th grade, in her face.heh she tried to smack me, i ran for the door, she grabbed whatever was in front of her at the moment and threw it. it hit me on my thigh left me a delicious looking purple bruise for weeks. did i deserve it? i dont know, she is a snatch. |
You guys say kids these days don't have any respect these days, what you fail to realize is that most of the "punks" get there ass handed to them daily. Beating doenst teach fear, it breeds resentment and can damage someones emotional well being. When your parents start kicking your ass hardcore and say "I'm doing this because I love you" are they teaching you not to do it again, or that violence is a way of showing affection. Most of the people who abuse there wives were abused as kids, it may teach the kids to be tough, but it just confuses and scares the kids.
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| Originally posted by Nadi You guys say kids these days don't have any respect these days, what you fail to realize is that most of the "punks" get there ass handed to them daily. Beating doenst teach fear, it breeds resentment and can damage someones emotional well being. When your parents start kicking your ass hardcore and say "I'm doing this because I love you" are they teaching you not to do it again, or that violence is a way of showing affection. Most of the people who abuse there wives were abused as kids, it may teach the kids to be tough, but it just confuses and scares the kids. |
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| Originally posted by mr. poopyhead ok, child abuse and spousal abuse is a totally different story. if you come home, drunk as a skunk and wail on your family for no reason, that's wrong. but giving a kid a whack on the ass for doing something bad is no problem. |
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| Originally posted by mr. poopyhead hahaha... see? beatings make fun stories later in life.. man.. i could never run from my mom. i only tried once, and i failed horribly. then i got double beats for running, hahaha. another funny story is when my brother got beats, i'd always start cracking up... then my mom would wipe the smile off my face pretty quick, =P. ow... |
"Raise your child as you would raise a dog and you may end up with either."
The child not intelligent enough to be reasoned with is probably not intelligent enough to discern between behaviorally corrective voilence and purely malicious acts of violence. Stricter child abuse laws are the direct result of massive amounts of research that almost universally indicate the harmful effect of a parent committing acts of violence against their child.
Of course, maybe the tens of thousands of researchers who carefully conducted such investigations over several decades are totally wrong. But that doesn't mean we ought to try to beat some sense into them.
kids need some beating seriously i see how these brats are raised nowadays it pisses me off how impolite and cry baby they are. i'm not saying beath the crap out of them but the occasional slap in the face or spank in the butt is good for them
My dad was strict as but fair. He'd tell me not to do something as a kid or i'd get a spank. I did it and i got a spank
After about 10 of those i realised he actually meant business so i stopped fucking around. Kids are smart as, they test the limits to see what they can get away with and see what response they get,then pull as much shit as they know they can get away with. It's called child psychology
I'm gonna be strict but fair with my kids too, i want them to be happy but grow up with morals and self-respect so i'm gonna punish them when i have to, if that means spanking them to get a point home i will.
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Everyone in their life has gotten a spanking or something from their parents for doing something bad. Maybe the nun is getting charged because the parents thought it was their job to spank their kids. By the way... did anyone see that lady who beat and shook her kid in a Kohl's parking lot? It was crazy, she was hitting her kid in the head and face and shaking her... and she was caught on surveilance camera that was in the parking lot then caught by the police a week later. No one should beat the shit out of their kids but when a child gets a spanking do you think it really hurts them? Prolly not its just the fact that they were hit and thats wat makes them cry.
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| Originally posted by Arbiter "Raise your child as you would raise a dog and you may end up with either." The child not intelligent enough to be reasoned with is probably not intelligent enough to discern between behaviorally corrective voilence and purely malicious acts of violence. Stricter child abuse laws are the direct result of massive amounts of research that almost universally indicate the harmful effect of a parent committing acts of violence against their child. Of course, maybe the tens of thousands of researchers who carefully conducted such investigations over several decades are totally wrong. But that doesn't mean we ought to try to beat some sense into them. |
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| Originally posted by Tranzmit After about 10 of those i realised he actually meant business so i stopped fucking around. |
Theres nothing wrong with a good spanking here and there. Back in the OLDE day, kids got beat all the time and nothing happened. Nowadays, its wrong for kids to be beaten, and now you see kids bringing guns to school and killing other ppl before high school.
i blame MTV, mtv just makes all usa children more ignorant
its definetly true
I myself got spanked and hit on the bottom with a bamboo stick, but I don't think much of it now, I don't hold a grudge or anything at all. My 7 year old sister hardly ever gets spanked, not nearly as much as I did, but when she was bad, my parents would squeeze her ear lobe, which really does nothing, but is easy to cause some pressure, so she cries.
Even though it seems like she doesn't get as much physical punishment as I did, just having my parents shout at her will get her all teary-eyed. I think the action of punishing the kids, i.e. making the smacking motion on the buttocks but not hitting hard at all, is enough to show the kid that they did something wrong, and that usually makes them obey next time. That's from my experience.
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