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Beautiful Dynamic Tracks [Dedicated Thread]

This thread is dedicated to all those beautiful edm tracks that breath!

How did you decide the track is overcompressed?

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Originally posted by Robotrance used my ears. have some experience infact ive become extremely sensetive to compression. its like ive become alergic to it after overexposion.

Be more specific pls. What part is over-compressed exactly?

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Originally posted by Robotrance Well for me personally I notice the following: 1) hard to tell the sounds apart. Hihats, synths, reverb all mached together in a soup of of beat sidechained sound

Side-chain doesn't reduce dynamics.

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Originally posted by Robotrance way wide, overly bright and nothing that stands out.

That might be called balance. Depends on perspective.

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Originally posted by Robotrance Yet everything stands out shouting here I am.

Non sense.

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Originally posted by Robotrance 2) the bass/kick hurts more in the treble area than give me the deep rumble due to being compressed together with a closed hat and the snare.

Non sense again. "Hurts" is a completely inappropriate term for this track. It has on of the softest basslines you can hear today. And hearing the treble, again, means nothing.

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Originally posted by Robotrance 3) the instruments have no tail. They are either fully on or completely off, most likely when the next kick hit.

Again non sense. It's producers choice how to design his sounds. I like fast and precise decays.

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Originally posted by Robotrance 4) besides the bass it sounds like my tv speakers

Non sense

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Originally posted by Robotrance 5) overall loudness is way too high almost higher than tv Commercials

Non sense

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Originally posted by Robotrance 6) impossible to hear myself saying "S" while its playing.

No comment

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Originally posted by Robotrance 7) generally fatigueing after very short time.

This is one of the few tracks I can play more than once before feeling any sort of fatigue.

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Originally posted by Robotrance 8) can play loud on shitty stereos.

Non sense

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Originally posted by Robotrance A track with good dynamics however will destroy bad stereos without even being loud. On good stereos it feels loud without being fatigueing (I feel more in the body than the ears) and I get sweaty due to enjoyment and or some sort of mild adrenaline rush, even on low levels. And the separate sounds can be heard (on good stereos)

Separation is related to the number of elements in a track. Contemporary productions are generally richer in terms of elements, but that doesn't necessarily translate as over-compression. Is not related.

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Originally posted by Robotrance even the tails, position, and different levels. It's quite amazing how much more info an uncompressed song can contain. People speaking in the recording studio by mistake for instance. That's where the magic lies, beneath the noisy bombastic primary elements. Compressed music doesn't crawl under my skin like microdynamics does. In a good way.

Non sense.

Sorry, I disagree with every single word you wrote. But I'd like to hear an example of a current edm track that you consider not being over-compressed.

Kick and bass transient is a bit over-compressed but its not disturbingly so, heard much worse.

The track is lightly compressed. And the transients are exactly where you should look at to notice an eventual over-compression. I'm surprised that Robotrance ignored that and talked about his tv and other bullshit.

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Originally posted by Robotrance ok its hard to come up with separate tracks but the couple of last years I think its hard to avoid talking about speedy j livesets/djsets: https://soundcloud.com/jochempaap/sets/mixes-124

I asked you for a single track and you post me a 9 hour set. I asked for a current edm track and you post something from 2010 which contains tracks from who knows when.
This is the second time you act this way which makes me believe you're not able to come up with something more or equivalently dynamic to what I posted.
I don't have time listening to 6 hours set. Post a single track and then we can talk.

Yes. These are all good examples. The kick in the second track is squashed but anyway it is appropriate for the track. A single element cannot dismiss a production as a whole.

But notice how you picked up only tracks which are particularly minimal in terms of elements. Easy that way. The one I posted is busy but yet it retains its dynamics. Seems like you think that a busy track is over-compressed by definition. Probably the complexity of a track makes you lose focus.

You know that just saying 'nonsense' over and over again isn't actually any kind of discussion, yeah? You're just saying "neener neener neener, I'm right and you're wrong."

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Originally posted by Robotrance yes i am more into minimal these days that is correct. but its not because other genres are more complex in any way. its due to the said over production/compression. trance from the 90s where produced with complexity, full on without even sounding squashed a bit:http://youtu.be/xAH1TZKzvmU for some reason not possible to embed. at 7:45 peaks and all instruments still are very clear and dynamic. anyway, youtube is a shitty source and not good for measuring these things but you may understand the sound im talking about, when the clap sounds like a clap and not a snare/hihat/kick.

Sorry but that Lieb track is not busy at all. Hats have long decays + the reverb tricks you into thinking the track is congested, when actually it is not. It has only one layer to form the bassline. Modern productions have from 3 to 7 layers just for a bassline, 3/4 layers for a lead, 2/3/4 layers for a clap, tons of layers for pads etc.
You have to update your clock about contemporary productions.
Nowadays tracks are more complex as a configuration. Doesn't mean they're better, but are definitely busier.

This is a congested track.


Now, thinking you should hear separately each single element as a "criteria" is just silly. These tracks are meant to be this way. They actually aim for that "wall of sound".

Going back at my first post, that track is really balanced. It is busy, soft and present at the same time.

But I'm really curios what's your opinion about this one.

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Originally posted by deegee You know that just saying 'nonsense' over and over again isn't actually any kind of discussion, yeah? You're just saying "neener neener neener, I'm right and you're wrong."

When he uses his tv as a criteria to make a conclusion that's a non sense. I don't know his tv nor the parameters of that device, so there is no way for me to intervene and judge if his opinion is founded.

TV speakers are generally crap, have no bass (essential for dance music). You know this.

What really happened here is you posted a thread where what you expected was people to say O YES UR RITE.

This is a common thing to do, I'm not judging it. But just saying 'nonsense' over and over again isn't even pretending to have a discussion. "This is nonsense because XYZ," however, is.

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Originally posted by deegee TV speakers are generally crap, have no bass (essential for dance music). You know this. What really happened here is you posted a thread where what you expected was people to say O YES UR RITE. This is a common thing to do, I'm not judging it. But just saying 'nonsense' over and over again isn't even pretending to have a discussion. "This is nonsense because XYZ," however, is.

You're completely on the wrong route.
First, I don't see many people in this thread at all.
Second, if my intention was to measure my dick and claiming to be just right I wouldn't have admitted what he posted later was actually dynamic. And if you've been enough careful, during this beautiful debate, you would've noticed I always ask and hope for arguments to develop a good and informative discussion.

You're making totally wrong deductions.

"Good and informative discussion" doesn't start with saying "nonsense, nonsense, nonsense, nonsense, nonsense."

Doesn't matter how it starts, but how it develops.

Wrong on all counts there, sorry. If you want to claim the high ground in any discussion--if, indeed, you want to claim you were aiming for a discussion in the first place--it behooves you to actually, you know, discuss.

I don't have to underline I'm aiming for a discussion. Hello...we're in a forum.

However so far you didn't contribute in any way here.

Hopefully I contributed to you learning how to have a discussion. Cheers.

Now is confirmed.

EDM is the last place I look for "beautiful dynamics." It's compressed to hell for a reason - loudness and energy. The dynamics in EDM come in the form of song structure (i.e., breakdowns vs drops) and even on a macro-scale with DJ mixes (i.e., breakdowns vs drops vs transitions). If you want dynamics at the micro-scale, look elsewhere.

That's my two cents worth of nonsense. Carry on.

Sorry but I have paid for at least four cents worth of nonsense so please continue.

(Also, obviously, you're right. All dance music is compressed to hell and back, what we're dickering over is +10 compression vs +9)

Well yes, if we look at dynamic in its broader meaning dubstep is very dynamic actually.

Not really no. Look at the waveform of a dubstep track--or almost any dance music track. Peaks are pretty much uniform except in breakdowns, and that I am pretty sure is mainly an artifact of how kicks are represented visually.

Dance music has very little dynamic range by design. Can't slow the punters down.

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Originally posted by deegee Sorry but I have paid for at least four cents worth of nonsense so please continue.

This nonsense should cover the rest:

The Loudness War is Over!!!!

Yup.

I SAID NICE ONE BROTHA

Also, if you want to hear something that is exquisitely mastered, with enormous dynamic range on every note--but is not, for the same reasons, dance music--I suggest Loreena McKennitt's The Visit. Or pretty much anything by Tori Amos--including Raspberry Swirl, which is absolutely dance music. Best ears in the business, they say.

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