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The difficulty of simplicity

I started out with the intention of doing a simplistic techno track with a deep bassline and some slowly evolving pads. Now I'm sitting here with a thunderous peak time track.

Is this a "problem" for anyone else? How can I restrict myself from throwing everything I can think of into a track?

Oh dear, hm..

Step away from the DAW

I forgot we don't talk about songwriting here.

make choices, combine the parts that match together and support build-up
agree on your drop and bin the rest.

IMHO the best tracks have great percussion, a bassline, a pluck lead, some stabs and some vibe supporting atmo FX. that's it.

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Originally posted by Raphie make choices, combine the parts that match together and support build-up agree on your drop and bin the rest. IMHO the best tracks have great percussion, a bassline, a pluck lead, some stabs and some vibe supporting atmo FX. that's it.

IMHO the best track have great melodic vibe - memorable hook

Darek

Yes, depending on genre, in techno it's more about the vibe of the 16 bars than a melody, a chord or arp is often more aimed at rythmik support then playing a melody

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Originally posted by Raphie Yes, depending on genre, in techno it's more about the vibe of the 16 bars than a melody, a chord or arp is often more aimed at rythmik support then playing a melody

That's just the thing - I can't seem to be able to think that way. I guess I've been making trance and breaks for too long.

Re: The difficulty of simplicity

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I started out with the intention of doing a simplistic techno track with a deep bassline and some slowly evolving pads. Now I'm sitting here with a thunderous peak time track. Is this a "problem" for anyone else? How can I restrict myself from throwing everything I can think of into a track?

yes, always a problem but ive become better at not adding unnecessary stuff into a track. You just have to have confidence that the track is holding its own with a simple groove, its about little catchy infrequent percussion, little fx, vox whatever

i love listening to stripped back stuff like that but there is plenty of stuff that is boring as well...a fine line.......

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I forgot we don't talk about songwriting here.

We do.

Step away from the DAW was a legitimate idea.

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Originally posted by tehlord Step away from the DAW

Good advice that I need to do more often...

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Originally posted by tehlord We do. Step away from the DAW was a legitimate idea.

That's about as useful as the advice Dr. Phil gives.

"I have a problem with thing X."
"Then don't do thing X."
"Thank you dr. Phil, you've changed my life!"

Lol, regarding groove
The cirklon took me away from lineair left to right songwriting arranging

Do this:
Put all 16 baar loops underneath eachother in a 16 bar loop
Build your song by play that loop abd just muting/unmuting channels
You'll find the vibe that you can listen to endlessly, THAT's the peak of your song
Bin the rest, abd build your song now by laying out the combi's that worked

if you design sounds that evolve over a long period of time it helps retain the listeners attention without having to add a bunch of new shit, and every new sound should actually serve a purpose and stand on it's own, so no unnecessary filler to compensate for poor decisions. And you only have to keep it interesting for like ~5 minutes, when you're writing and listening to the same thing over and over you're likely to get bored with it especially with mnml

This thread was made for me!
Yes I suffer with this issue time and again.

I like the points above regards having the confidence to be satisfied and not keep adding shit.

Really good techno makes a deep connection with me in terms of groove in a way nothing else does.

I'm starting to realize that I'm very set in my ways when it comes to song building and structure. Definitely something I need to break away from.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery That's about as useful as the advice Dr. Phil gives. "I have a problem with thing X." "Then don't do thing X." "Thank you dr. Phil, you've changed my life!"

Shit analogy

I didn't say stop doing what you're doing, I meant (although didn't actually say......) do it another way.

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Originally posted by tehlord Shit analogy I didn't say stop doing what you're doing, I meant (although didn't actually say......) do it another way.

No, it was exactly that.

Do you really think "do it another way" is in any way helpful? If I could just do that, why would I even had started a thread?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery No, it was exactly that. Do you really think "do it another way" is in any way helpful? If I could just do that, why would I even had started a thread?

I dunno, maybe you're too stupid to think of another way.

Calm the fuck down net warrior

I'm looking for a discussion, not juvenile attempts at insults.

Please go find some other thread to play in.

Compose from a top down approach instead.

Have your 8 bar pattern with everything in. Then compose by finding ways to basically make those elements have a genesis and way to become how they are in the main pattern.

Also step away from the daw.

Maybe try focusing your "complexifying" tendencies toward engineering rather than composition, like effects or adding new layers to the sounds you already have.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Compose from a top down approach instead. Have your 8 bar pattern with everything in. Then compose by finding ways to basically make those elements have a genesis and way to become how they are in the main pattern. Also step away from the daw.

Thank you Mr.Obvious.

What's really curious about you is you're ability to the deliver the most predictable and basic shit in a shiny wrapping!

Really, what Mr.Mystery needs is an advice that opens his eyes and changes his way of approaching things.

So my advice would be....

Are you ready...

It's coming......

Listen to minimal.

Oh, the horror

whut?

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