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I've found a track of mine released on a label I know nothing of?

Ok I know I'm not going to be owed more than $1.00 worth of royalties, but that's not the point, I want to know how a track of mine has ended up on a label I did not release it with and what I should do about it? It's a matter of principle to me.

Maybe the original label sold it on, but should I not have been informed?

Again it's no big deal but I am intrigued as to how it ended up with another label.

The original label was Amenta which was part of Alter Ego Records that I heard had folded.

Here is this mystery label 'LW Recordings' showing my track 'Got A Light' on a compilation they released:

https://pro.beatport.com/release/te...volume-4/308467


EDIT, and whilst I'm in the mood, I got not a penny from this release which is what I expected but I note it's the labels 3rd biggest release, so even a token dollar would have been nice just to be able to say to the grandkids I got paid for producing!

Do I chase the label, how do I prove they sold anything?

https://pro.beatport.com/label/physical-gravity-recordings/9894

Re: I've found a track of mine released on a label I know nothing of?

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Originally posted by Richard Butler The original label was Amenta which was part of Alter Ego Records that I heard had folded.

Alter Ego hasn't folded. I just received a statement/check from them a few weeks ago. It looks like your song is still listed under their label:

http://www.alteregorecords.com/releases/label/4276

I'd contact them and see if they know anything about it. Since they own the distribution rights to the song, they'll know if it has been passed on to another label. If not, they should be interested in knowing that another label is selling it without their permission (which is pretty unlikely).

Re: I've found a track of mine released on a label I know nothing of?

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Originally posted by Richard Butler ...showing my track...on a compilation they released: [/url]

I didn't notice the "compilation" part the first time I read it. That's pretty common, actually. Many labels will release their songs on compilations as a means of increasing distribution. Consider it a bonus. Some of the labels we've worked with have barely even mentioned a release outside of their FB page. The labels that have gone the extra mile to promote our songs and put them on compilations are the only ones that have gotten us (tiny) paychecks.

Cheers Dave I will get on to Alter Ego.
Looking forward to a wall of cash, lol!

How does it work, can an artiste ask to see the books or you just take what you're given? Again I'm not daft enough to think I'm owed more than a dollar but I work in finance and it intrigues me as to how this all works and what the etiquette is in terms of claiming your winnings!

Labelworx (for example) 'reserve the right' to use tracks released via their scam...sorry scheme for release on myriad compilation albums.

I think one of the tracks I released on R7 was featured on more than 20.

I saw nearly seven dollars in royalties.

I say saw, I mean read about.

you know this thread makes me wonder...

I mean what is really stopping someone from downloading anyone's track from a site like beatport or otherwise, rename it, and create a fake label and try to distribute it again? like you said, we are most likely talking tiny amounts of money so what really would the penalties be? take it down? if anyone ever found it.

i dunno just a random thought i had. i've never really tried to release anything so never really worried about it, but for those of you that actually do. is that kind of thing a concern?

On a sidenote: Track sounds good to me bro.

fukn hell mate, makes ya sick doesnt it. Further proof of the never ending assholes this industry is capable of churning out.

Did you get the contract looked at by a professional experienced in the industry? The band I used to play in has a decent following and while I was in the band we released three albums (distribtuion deals only). One label had a decent roster, the other label was a small mob. You needed to be a fukn rocket scientist to decifer the paperwork. The others in the band were like, fuk it, lets just sign it. I insisted on getting it looked at, lucky I did, the first contract was soaked with fine print and loop holes that would benefit the label. The lawyers we took it too were damn expensive but true professionals (they looked after high profile artists as well) so they knew their shit. They sent me back the contract with every ammendment I should ask for, and going through that process helped me learn a lot about those types of contracts. After negotiating back and fourth we had a lot of it changed to make things fairer, and i still get the ocassional royalty money put into my account. As a matter of fact, one came through yesterday. Its fuk all but as you said, its the principal. Anyone who enters the music biz for money should leave right away! its a rort! haha

I will never sign another contract without professional advice.

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Originally posted by madmuso fukn hell mate, makes ya sick doesnt it. Further proof of the never ending assholes this industry is capable of churning out.

Yeah, it totally pisses me off when these f'ing labels put my song on compilations, even though my contract allows it, and it gets me more exposure and possibly more sales and....wait, what are we bitching about again?

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Originally posted by cryophonik Yeah, it totally pisses me off when these f'ing labels put my song on compilations, even though my contract allows it, and it gets me more exposure and possibly more sales and....wait, what are we bitching about again?

I got the impression after reading Richards post that this was done without his consent and sounded like it was not part of his deal. If it is, then of course there isn't anything you can do, they have the right just like the artist to excercise any clause in the agreement. Sometimes these extremely convoluted ways of distributing music are setup in the labels favour which include loop holes in order for them to not pay, or pay the artist as much. Hence my original advice of always getting a professional to see over all contracts.

I promise I wont bitch anymore!

I totally see both sides of this coin.
And Dave, I totally see your side of that conversation piece to.
And I totally agree however I see the other point which was made which in my opinion is totally legit.
Let's face it, aside from those already present, Dave and Richard are really skilled and talented artist's. Way more than myself that is for sure.
But let's face it,and I mean no offense, but they haven't made it to mainstream or super popular status in the edm world. So in ways, unless you have something so legit and potentially lucrative, well...we are all just little fish in a huuuuge pond. Why should it matter,exposure? Ok...if that is your intention.
But I am curious now...
So what would you do if you came home one day and found your song (that you gave download privis to)on a random site but the name of the song and the title were totally different created by a signed artist with which whom you haven't a clue who they are.
What could you do? Unless you are copyrighting every song...there isn't a damn thing you could do.
Now, I don't know about you guys but I have a minor few copyrighted songs. To me, it actually isn't a big deal or at least wouldn't be.
So I don't worry about it
I saw a few of my songs on 4 torrent sites and had to chuckle.
I dont give a shit what one does with my song....unless they make a shit ton of money on it =OP

Every one of my/our songs is copyrighted. That wouldn't stop someone from "stealing" them. But, tbh, if they did, yeah I would probably be a little pissed and could easily demonstrate to a judge that it was my copyrighted track. But, to what end? To prove a point to the loser who stole my song? Make him pay what would amount to a fraction of my lawyer fees? Naw, not worth my time or energy. I would certainly let the loser know that I'm aware that he stole my music and possibly go a little out of my way to embarrass him, but anything more is just not worth it to me. But, if I was in my 20s and trying to hit it big, yeah, I would probably feel a bit different about it.

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Originally posted by scorpradio But let's face it,and I mean no offense, but they haven't made it to mainstream or super popular status in the edm world. So in ways, unless you have something so legit and potentially lucrative, well...we are all just little fish in a huuuuge pond. Why should it matter,exposure? Ok...if that is your intention.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to "make it", nor am I an "EDM artist", nor would I ever quit my day job to be a superstar producer/DJ. I'm in my 40s, have a family and a job that pays more than most DJs could dream of, and will only make me more money as I get older doing something that I love to do and contributes positively to humanity. Being a superstar DJ is something that young single guys (and pathetic old losers without a chance in hell of ever making it) dream of. So, no, that's nowhere near my intention.

Spot on/

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Originally posted by cryophonik Every one of my/our songs is copyrighted. That wouldn't stop someone from "stealing" them. But, tbh, if they did, yeah I would probably be a little pissed and could easily demonstrate to a judge that it was my copyrighted track. But, to what end? To prove a point to the loser who stole my song? Make him pay what would amount to a fraction of my lawyer fees? Naw, not worth my time or energy. I would certainly let the loser know that I'm aware that he stole my music and possibly go a little out of my way to embarrass him, but anything more is just not worth it to me. But, if I was in my 20s and trying to hit it big, yeah, I would probably feel a bit different about it. Just to be clear, I'm not trying to "make it", nor am I an "EDM artist", nor would I ever quit my day job to be a superstar producer/DJ. I'm in my 40s, have a family and a job that pays more than most DJs could dream of, and will only make me more money as I get older doing something that I love to do and contributes positively to humanity. Being a superstar DJ is something that young single guys (and pathetic old losers without a chance in hell of ever making it) dream of. So, no, that's nowhere near my intention.

And I think you hit on some good points. I to am in my 40's and I couldn't care less. However, the difference is here that (sorry to say this to ya Dave, but I have to disagree...) YOU DO have songs credited to your name using vocalist (that aren't from a remix stem) who actually sing to YOUR music in the electronic realm...sorry brodda, you are a "electronic" artist =OP The rest of us are just peons in the same water compared to you and Richard. Not making it sound degrading or putting you two on a pedestal but it's the truth.
The point? For someone like me, even if I was young enough to "make it" I would still be on the same level as I am now.
Guys like you have way more security in knowing that because you ARE somewhat established,legit, whatever you want to call it. Your music is more...secure. Guys like me? Im learning and growing and have potential but if I try to gain more exposure and someone steals it from me? I think I would be pissed. Thank god Im older and wiser and beyond my years...couldn't care less.
So, in essence...yea, it comes down to the intentions of the artist.
If you don't care, who cares. However, if your ambitious enough I guess you would do something about it and based on being able to prove it.
Sorry Richard if this hijacked your op, I just saw some interesting replies.

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Originally posted by scorpradio However, the difference is here that (sorry to say this to ya Dave, but I have to disagree...) YOU DO have songs credited to your name using vocalist (that aren't from a remix stem) who actually sing to YOUR music in the electronic realm...sorry brodda, you are a "electronic" artist

I don't disagree that I make electronic music and that some of it is dance music. My point was that I don't consider myself an "EDM artist" because that's just one style that I make and it's not even my favorite or best style. It seems like most of the guys here are far better at trance and house than I'll ever be.

What are you doing?

If I recall, there's some loophole for compilations / mixes...a lot of DJs back in the day legally sold cds without permission from the artists whose tracks they used because they were marketed as promotional releases, and said things like "You're paying for the artwork, mastering, compiling, etc"
If you're going to be 'chasing the label' as you say (I wouldn't), you'll want to contact Beatport directly about the matter and see if they can give you sales figures for the track. Once you've got proof that they are in fact making money off your song, contact the label and try arrange an agreement.

My tracks have appeared on countless labels and compilations that I've had no clue about, and was never asked about prior. It seems I'm always the last to know. I chalk it up to the consistent anal pillaging that is the norm with a lot of labels. I've become numb to it.

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