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Posted by rubez on Apr-24-2015 09:20:

arp and delay on midi keyboard

this seems to be a software mainly type of place, but i'll ask anyway.

would it be possible to get an arp and delay dialed into a midi keyboard for live use? (not ableton)

the keyboard has 8 pads, 4 buttons and 4 knobs... i think the knobs are 270 degrees.


Posted by evo8 on Apr-24-2015 13:01:

wouldnt say its software mainly, plenty of people with HW in here

as regards your question i havent a fucking clue what your talking about, what do you mean dial in an arp and delay?


Posted by rubez on Apr-24-2015 13:21:

as in map the buttons/pads/knobs on the keyboard to control effects from your DAW.

namely an arpeggiator and delay. so i can trigger them without using the mouse (after the initial set up of course) with the keyboard while playing live.


Posted by evo8 on Apr-24-2015 13:25:

quote:
Originally posted by rubez
as in map the buttons/pads/knobs on the keyboard to control effects from your DAW.

namely an arpeggiator and delay. so i can trigger them without using the mouse (after the initial set up of course) with the keyboard while playing live.


ah ok - you just want standard MIDI mapping then? All MIDI keyboards will send midi CC, else nobody would bother buying them, as thats what theyre for

So what you want is either a midi keyboard with some controller knobs or just a controller with sliders and knobs, nanoknontrol 2 is an example of this

loads of choice out there


Posted by rubez on Apr-24-2015 13:42:

would the alesis V25 specifically be capable?

i know it could trigger them on/off easily, but i have no idea what would be needed to control the effects properly... as in the depth, different type, up, down, up-down, timing, 1/4, 1/8 etc.

here is the keyboard.


Posted by evo8 on Apr-24-2015 13:54:

quote:
Originally posted by rubez
would the alesis V25 specifically be capable?

i know it could trigger them on/off easily, but i have no idea what would be needed to control the effects properly... as in the depth, different type, up, down, up-down, timing, 1/4, 1/8 etc.

here is the keyboard.



well every parameter that you would want to control separately would need a knob

so if you wanted to map 8 different things, all at the one time, then you would need 8 knobs

that one you posted looks like it only has 4, i would go with 8 as a minimum


Posted by rubez on Apr-24-2015 13:58:

a button/pad wouldn't do in some instances instead of a knob?


Posted by Kthought on Apr-24-2015 16:42:

You're being resourceful, but trust us, measure twice & cut once. don't short yourself, pads are ok, theyre great for triggering samples but they are a little annoying when you map them for button stuff. You'll want regular buttons/switches as your ideas for mapping increase.


Posted by evo8 on Apr-24-2015 16:49:

quote:
Originally posted by rubez
a button/pad wouldn't do in some instances instead of a knob?


sometimes but they are primarily intended for sample triggering

like how would you increase the delay wet/dry or feedback with a pad/button? You cant really


Posted by SherlockCrash on Apr-24-2015 17:04:

I would look at something like this instead:


http://www.thomann.de/se/m_audio_oxygen_49_mk4.htm

Here you have some faders and some more knobs. If you could move up in price I know the AKAI MPK49 have 8 faders, 8 knobs, X3. You have three different control banks that you can shift between. Something like that could be useful.


Posted by MSZ on Apr-25-2015 19:03:

Yea, its called a synth.


Posted by rubez on Apr-25-2015 19:50:

space is an issue and i can't play the keyboard for shit, so a 25 keys one will do, may even be beneficial.

the alesis v25 looks like the most compact keyboard with knobs and buttons.

of course more knobs would be better, but does anyone actually have a a solid figure on the minimum amount of knobs you would need to pull this off? to trigger the effect and manipulate it.

lastly is it definitely possible to arp or delay a hardware synth? it has usb midi data but no sound over usb midi.

cheers.


Posted by DJ RANN on Apr-26-2015 00:20:

Well for an arp, it would be one knob to change the peramter with variable data (i.e. number of notes), one to change the sequence (in it's most basic form,: up, down, downup, updown). and one pad to trigger it. It's going to get tricky the more you want to affect in the effect.

Rinse repeat, add up how many knobs/pads you need etc


Posted by DJRYAN� on Apr-27-2015 19:36:

if you're in Ableton, just hit the config button on the synth at the button of the screen.. that should pop open your synth.. then click the arp on/off switch inside your synth.. then click whatever button on your controller.. that should enable that button to turn on/off the arpeggiator.. You could also assign (using the same method) a button on your controller to a delay.. Although, I'd set up a send and return channel for FX leaving your original content original, and using the FX as an add on.. Then you would automate the send instead of an actual synth parameter.. Keeps the original sound sounding pristine..



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