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The Clap
Sets a "call & response" structure which may degrade the seriousness of a piece. It renders everything more pop oriented.
This thread gave me the clap.
do go on.
call and response is used heavily by late classical and early romantic composers.
Most people use a snare. MOst people call it a backbeat. And it is something that gives weight to certain beats making it less monotonous.
IN jazz. that accentuation was provided with the hihat.
you also cannot consider dance music serious music. It is commercial music. IT serves a function other than itself.
you should read a book or listen to music before 2000.
You probably clap on 1 and 3 like many white people with no rhythm.
I was referring specifically to edm.
Check the serious dark techno pieces. The clap is absent in most of 'em or secondary element at best.
For reference check the set by Lucy posted from OrangestO in MD.
Why do you care what a bunch of tweakers care. Thy are the type of people that have invested so much in EDm that they've lost their reference of what is shit and what isn't. Most of them had their rave days during the post 2000 artistic vacume.
It's amazing when you show normal people that kind of music and hey wonder how far down the rabbit hole one must go to find that stuff ok.
Dance music without a backbeat is pretty much the territory of drunk natives
I still don't eve know what side you are arguing.
I don't think I've seen an argument this stupid in a long, long while.
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| Originally posted by Looney4Clooney wonder how far down the rabbit hole one must go to find that stuff ok. |
tricking yourself into finding novelty rather than quality. that is essentially what i meant. Most would say, fuck it, this style has gone as far as it can go and find inspiration somewhere else. Then there are some people that have minimal 4 life tattooed on their asss.
I suppose this is the difference between the type of artist that likes to create and the type of artist that is a dubstep producer. I honestly don't understand how people interested in such a small scope of rather easy to make and understand music don't get bored. I mean i do . They just kinda sukc at music and to them, what most would find redundant and nothing of value still somehow makes the person that has a hard time with music mesmorized. Like a monkey banging a drum.
I understand where is the problem with you.
You always misinterpret things at the source, then go through some serious mental voyage building a castle and arrive at definitive conclusions which are obviously fallacious.
That genre reference was just an example of something dark, hypnotic, serious. Doesn't mean that genre in itself is what I'm aiming for. However it is a good point to mention, something to annotate. Then you can just take the concept and apply it to whatever the fuck your want. Or just ignore it. You acknowledge something without being dependent. I'm actually outside, just like the Clooney on your avatar. So your projection of me getting lost in the details just reveals your inability to comprehend things at the source, even to grasp the little nuances and provocations at times if you wish.
T.E. - I think the problem is that you've now brought up two incredibly obvious point in different threads that are known to anyone with more than a passiing interest in music.
one was noise, the other is the wonders of a clap.
If you go back to the start of dance music all they really used was a small set of drum samples with equipment that didn't let you have many tracks so really the kick, tom, clap etc were all you had, and the clap was really the only that gave you any definition of the backbeat, which again really came to prominence in the 1960's, which disco then stole from which then became early house.
It's all historic reference, so when you post your magical finding about the clap, you kind of need to understand that this isn't some incredible pearl of wisdom your sharing here. In the grand scheme of things It's less than the first 1% of call and response structure and saying it somehow renders everything pop, is only true when as Richie said, you slap it on 1 & 3 like they did in with mid 90's commercial dance crossover pop.
RANN, why do you always have to appear as and old bag of shit?
I know there is nothing magical about these things! However, these threads are still fun to me. If you can't grasp some sane provocations than you're really proving as an old bag of shit.
AND PEOPLE STOP BEING SO FUCKING SERIOUS! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU?
and I could say stop wasting everyone's time with such basic fucking meanderings?
it's not like you were having some incredibly deep and thoughtful discussion on this. Aside from L4C, you one other response was Mystery telling you your flash of genius gave him an std.
I'm also really not old, I'm probably in the mid range of poeple in the prod forum, just been doing this shit (working in audio) since I was 19.
By all means please spark some sane "provocations", but saying the clap "sets a "call & response" structure which may degrade the seriousness of a piece. It renders everything more pop oriented.", is about as useful as saying synths make EDM interesting.
I really don't know what you expected to come from this thread? I'm baffled that you're surprised by the responses you got in this thread and the other one.
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| Originally posted by TranceElevation AND PEOPLE STOP BEING SO FUCKING SERIOUS! WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU? |
Enough of this banter ffs.
I didn't get it.
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN and I could say stop wasting everyone's time with such basic fucking meanderings? it's not like you were having some incredibly deep and thoughtful discussion on this. Aside from L4C, you one other response was Mystery telling you your flash of genius gave him an std. I'm also really not old, I'm probably in the mid range of poeple in the prod forum, just been doing this shit (working in audio) since I was 19. By all means please spark some sane "provocations", but saying the clap "sets a "call & response" structure which may degrade the seriousness of a piece. It renders everything more pop oriented.", is about as useful as saying synths make EDM interesting. I really don't know what you expected to come from this thread? I'm baffled that you're surprised by the responses you got in this thread and the other one. |
Sorry, I think the complete opposite. T'interwebnet, unlike real life, is not a place where people watch what they say. There's no sugar coating and bullshit gets called out.
Sometimes these angry discussion means people argue themselves in to a corner to the point of something irrational, and then you get meta arguments and before you know you're arguing for the sake of arguing, not actually discussing anything of any real use.
I do like a good back and forth when the points being made are valid and by people who really think about their opinions (and jeez, I've been involved in enough heated exchanges to be a witness to that) but the base starting poi t has to have some merit (and this one did not), otherwise it might as well just turn in to a cat .gif thread.
For instance, had you said "the clap can be so complex than just the 1 & 3 - furkers give me some discussion) well Richie would have banged on about romantic period composition, Dave would have said "in my day we didn't even have hands to clap with", Geoff would have said KVR have melted down over claps before, Juan would have said I am going to buy some claps then sell them again, Darek would have said nice claps, cheers, and mystery would have said, well you know, because he said it.
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN For instance, had you said "the clap can be so complex than just the 1 & 3 - furkers give me some discussion) well Richie would have banged on about romantic period composition, Dave would have said "in my day we didn't even have hands to clap with", Geoff would have said KVR have melted down over claps before, Juan would have said I am going to buy some claps then sell them again, Darek would have said nice claps, cheers, and mystery would have said, well you know, because he said it. |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN For instance, had you said "the clap can be so complex than just the 1 & 3 - furkers give me some discussion) well Richie would have banged on about romantic period composition, Dave would have said "in my day we didn't even have hands to clap with", Geoff would have said KVR have melted down over claps before, Juan would have said I am going to buy some claps then sell them again, Darek would have said nice claps, cheers, and mystery would have said, well you know, because he said it. |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN For instance, had you said "the clap can be so complex than just the 1 & 3 - furkers give me some discussion) well Richie would have banged on about romantic period composition, Dave would have said "in my day we didn't even have hands to clap with", Geoff would have said KVR have melted down over claps before, Juan would have said I am going to buy some claps then sell them again, Darek would have said nice claps, cheers, and mystery would have said, well you know, because he said it. |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN .... For instance, had you said "the clap can be so complex than just the 1 & 3 - furkers give me some discussion) well Richie would have banged on about romantic period composition, Dave would have said "in my day we didn't even have hands to clap with", Geoff would have said KVR have melted down over claps before, Juan would have said I am going to buy some claps then sell them again, Darek would have said nice claps, cheers, and mystery would have said, well you know, because he said it. |
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| Originally posted by DJ RANN ...Dave would have said "in my day we didn't even have hands to clap with",... |
you just take a concept , the backbeat and ask a valueless question.
A more interesting question would of been say how does the timing of the backbeat influence a groove. Why does a beat at 125 sound faster than a beat at 126 and what role does the snare play.
I just find that there is so much more interesting things to talk about and you ask about the validy of the clap.
Like asking about guitars and if they should exist.
You should feel bad about making this post.
i don't
you should feel bad for insisting i should feel bad.
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