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Posted by DJ RANN on May-27-2015 21:34:

Anyone one on windows 10?

I'm going to do a fresh isntall of windows to get rid of the presintalled bloatware on my shiny new laptop but was thinking of using the windows 10 beta rather than 8.1

Anyone got any thoughts? For all intents is looks like 8.1 with a few tweaks but wanted to know if anyone ran in to problems with it yet?


Posted by DJ RANN on May-27-2015 22:06:

Thank Palm.

The reason I'm thinking of doing it is that I don't want to fresh install 8.1 if 10 is coming out in a couple of months.

Also, windows announced that 10 will be the last OS the ever make - every single version from this point onwards will just be a never ending evolution of 10.

For that reason, I'm hoping I can just do 10, and then update as needed. Just not sure if when the full release comes of 10 comes out, the beta will need replacing or if they will just do a service pack.

recent reviews are saying they've ironed out the bugs and the version that is available for download now is basically the final release.

One thing i'm concerned about is program compatibility - I use the Adobe suites and I can't see if they will work on 10?


Posted by cryophonik on May-27-2015 22:25:

If it was my decision, I'd be scouring the interwebz for someone selling Windows 7 and, if not, then do a clean/minimal install of Windows 8 to get rid of all that stupid bloatware (lemme guess - Best Buy, right?). Being a W10 guinea pig might be fine for a secondary computer setup, but I sure wouldn't want to be using a beta OS for my main system. I doubt that most of your music software, hardware drivers, etc. will be supported yet and it could be a never-ending series of headaches. I would wait until W10 has been released, your software/drivers are officially supported, and the reviews say that it's safe to go into the waters.


Posted by DJ RANN on May-27-2015 22:27:

Thanks guys, and lol at Best Buy - fucking nailed it Dave.

They just had too good a deal and when it comes to laptops I want to hold the thing before I part with hard earned.

Oh well, the voices of reason are telling me 8.1, so 8.1 it is. I just would have liked the start menu back


Posted by DJ RANN on May-27-2015 23:07:

That's what i've been doing but it's a pain for when you want that program you use once a month; it doesn't go on the menu bar, but you still need to reach it and that silly windows button screen is plain annoying. I don't want all that shit, so I end up removing 90% and I juts have a minimal blank scrolling page to access a handful of programs.

It's a shame that windows really is the fruit of trying to make an OS that isn't OSX, rather than juts a logical and intuitive system.


Posted by Raphie on May-28-2015 04:53:

You know you can boot directly into your desktop right? With a start menu and shortcut menu bar? Standard stuff in 8.1


Posted by Kthought on May-28-2015 07:46:

8.1 is surprisingly stable, fast and consistent. It'd take a catastrophe to get me to even fuck with my system in the next year. No time. sizzling hi hats more important imo


Posted by Magnus on Jun-10-2015 02:57:

If you really want the start button back in Win8, there's always Start8. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/


Posted by tehlord on Jun-10-2015 08:29:

I'm still on W7-64 and will be for the foreseeable. 2.5 years and 3 machines later and I've not had a single crash or issue.

So no, I won't be changing yet


Posted by AuroraEventsLLC on Jun-10-2015 17:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Zak McKracken
I would go for 8.1 now. It's pretty stabile and you get free upgrade to 10 later. 8.1 is like SP2 of win 8 and rock solid, tested well and with good driver and sw support. Win 10 I am sceptical just like win 8.0 wasn't really working. Remember it's always every second windows which is good. 5(xp),7,9(8.1), etc. win 10 are doomed just like vista with some new things but trying to keep the old motor. Even numbers are considered beta in most firms.


Windows 8.1 is not 9, and it's not the "every other" version.


Posted by Storyteller on Jun-10-2015 19:50:

He's not. As far as I'm aware every data-call within windows will tell you it is a V8. And for good reason. If it would internally communicate it was V9 all hell would break loose. The skipped v9 for a reason .


Posted by evo8 on Jun-10-2015 20:28:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
I'm still on W7-64 and will be for the foreseeable. 2.5 years and 3 machines later and I've not had a single crash or issue.

So no, I won't be changing yet


nor me, dont see any reason to change just now


Posted by Storyteller on Jun-11-2015 04:50:

Thats not it. A LOT of programs (believe it or not and don't ask me why, I don't get it either) just check if the version number has a 9 to identify windows 95 and 98 for legacy support. Microsoft choose support of older software over the importance of a major version number and decided to skip one whole version on paper to resolve the issue so it can keep supporting legacy software as much as possible.


Posted by aquila on Jun-11-2015 10:48:

Am I the only one who has grave concern over Microsoft's generous insistence on everyone updating to W10? It seems to have an ominous I, Robot/US Robotics feel to it.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jun-11-2015 19:08:

quote:
Originally posted by Kthought
8.1 is surprisingly stable, fast and consistent. It'd take a catastrophe to get me to even fuck with my system in the next year. No time. sizzling hi hats more important imo


It is stable, but I hate the fact (as with all windows products) that once you spend ages installing it, it will do update after update, and then you have to configure the thing to behave how it should have done right out of the box (like win7,XP was etc).

quote:
Originally posted by Magnus
If you really want the start button back in Win8, there's always Start8. http://www.stardock.com/products/start8/


Cheers but I don't need it that badly. Once you configure it all, it's ok again.

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
I'm still on W7-64 and will be for the foreseeable. 2.5 years and 3 machines later and I've not had a single crash or issue.

So no, I won't be changing yet


For audio/production, there's no need to change whatsoever. Nothing was done under the hood to make it faster or better for audio, and it's no more stable than win7.


quote:
Originally posted by aquila
Am I the only one who has grave concern over Microsoft's generous insistence on everyone updating to W10? It seems to have an ominous I, Robot/US Robotics feel to it.


I think it's more about money; they realize that there are a certain number of people who will never pay money for a copy of windows and this is a way of at least bringing them in to the fold and trying to sell the other products.

What I imagine, is that M$ are happy to give 10 away from free for a very limited period so they have the chance later to try to sell other products or services.

However I think the biggest issue is that M$ needs 10 to be adopted. As I said before, due to the mis-steps with incremental upgrades, they've had massive issues actually getting people to use newer versions. It doesn;t help that there older versions (like 98, XP and W7) kinda nailed it, where the other version really sucked.

Their shareprice is largely based on market share. The more people using their products, the higher that share value, even if they are giving away a chunk for free. Just look at the current internet bubble of Uber, Giltgroup, Spotify - none of these companies are making profit (or ever have), but they are worth billions just due to user base, market share and possible revenue potential.

M$ are doing the same thing, and they were livid that so many people were still hanging on to XP. That legacy support is purely juts a waste of money for them.

The bit I really am worried about though is the subscription model. I will sell every PC I own if they pull that shit, and begrudgingly go mac only.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jul-29-2015 19:46:

Welp,it's out today and Imma going to do the fresh install if they have offered that option (via USB).

Wish me luck.....


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jul-29-2015 20:22:

Yeah - I've been waiting for the automatic update all day on the other computer but nothing's happened so far...


Posted by Looney4Clooney on Jul-29-2015 20:38:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
I'm still on W7-64 and will be for the foreseeable. 2.5 years and 3 machines later and I've not had a single crash or issue.

So no, I won't be changing yet


yup


Posted by DJ RANN on Jul-29-2015 21:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Yeah - I've been waiting for the automatic update all day on the other computer but nothing's happened so far...


Use the tool:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...nload/windows10


Posted by evo8 on Jul-29-2015 21:40:

tempting but way too early to switch, plus ive zero issues with 7


Posted by Mr.Mystery on Jul-29-2015 21:46:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
Use the tool:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...nload/windows10

I'm not in a hurry TBH. I just wanted to see if anything actually happened on the date they promised.

They failed about an hour ago.


Posted by cryophonik on Jul-29-2015 21:50:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ RANN
Welp,it's out today and Imma going to do the fresh install if they have offered that option (via USB).

Wish me luck.....


I'll be waiting to hear how it goes. My desktop is staying on W7 for now, but I'm probably going to upgrade my wife's computer (MBA with W8/Parallels installation) to W10 this weekend.


Posted by DJ RANN on Jul-29-2015 21:54:

I'm not installing on my audio PC - This is on my office/graphic design/all other shit PC, that already came with windows 8 installed and I wasn;t going to format it to get off all the lenovo bloatware when I knew 10 was coming soon.

The download is going pretty fast. Nearly done in 45mins on a shitty connection.

I'll let you know what happens.....I can't be worse than 8.1 (famous last words).


Posted by tehlord on Jul-29-2015 22:18:

I have no plans to change for the foreseeable, but I'll be interested to see what evolves with the suggested plans to integrate low latency audio into W10, if it ever happens!


Posted by DJ RANN on Jul-29-2015 23:25:

Well, it looks like it's crashed at the 100% mark of Creating Windows Media.

I'll wait a bit but otherwise, this sucks.


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