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Against The Clock

interesting concept. create a beat in 10 mins, a variety of producers have done it....

some hardware only jams, some DAW integrated ones. nice to see the different gear and techniques on display.

Ive actually yet to find one track that I've liked from this concept, but I enjoy looking at Mathew Jonson's gear.

I saw this vid of people in gear shops in London (Soho) in the late 80's noodling like this, and sounding more or less the same.
Would be nice to see someone evolving the sound instead of sounding like a 1992 Acid jam.

don't be dissing the acid!

nothing has essentially changed on the hardware front though, has it? so no real surprises it sounds the same. all the polish and tricks get done in the DAW afterwards... not too much you can do from scratch in under 10 mins in any case.

I'm sure Evo made a thread about this not so long ago

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Originally posted by Andy28 I'm sure Evo made a thread about this not so long ago

yeah i posted the MJ one as i thought it was particularly nice

Cheers for posting Mac. I love shit like this, it's really the essence of dance music for me.

Tim man has a pretty nice reverb in that first clip.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Cheers for posting Mac. I love shit like this, it's really the essence of dance music for me. Tim man has a pretty nice reverb in that first clip.

you're funny only in your own mind... but that's ok - at least someone is amused.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Cheers for posting Mac. I love shit like this, it's really the essence of dance music for me. Tim man has a pretty nice reverb in that first clip.

Everything that excites me about making music is wrapped up in these videos.

A few hands on boxes, a desk and a couple of stomp boxes and I'm happy.

DAWs make me yawn. It's like using Excel.

These videos just illustrate how utterly bankrupt in general musicianship most if not all these producers are. The whole make a beat thing seems so stupid in that it is so easy that to even need 30 seconds to do all this especially given the lack of processing would feel like par.

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Originally posted by rubez you're funny only in your own mind... but that's ok - at least someone is amused.

Wat? I know you're probably bitter from those other threads but learn to compartmentalize. There was no joke.

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Originally posted by Geoff Everything that excites me about making music is wrapped up in these videos. A few hands on boxes, a desk and a couple of stomp boxes and I'm happy. DAWs make me yawn. It's like using Excel.

True, there's a great interview from years ago with Brian Eno where he's going on about there being nothing worse than making music by starting at a screen and clicking a mouse. Cubicle music I think he called it lol.

At the same time, hardware is fun but really, it's just not practical to not use a daw with all the features and possibilities we now take for granted.

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Originally posted by Richie These videos just illustrate how utterly bankrupt in general musicianship most if not all these producers are. The whole make a beat thing seems so stupid in that it is so easy that to even need 30 seconds to do all this especially given the lack of processing would feel like par.

You've got a point but if dance music isn't fundamentally a "beat" (or better said a groove), then I don't know what is. But yeah, they're not doing anything that is musically amazing, and actually nothing that wasn't done 25 years ago.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN True, there's a great interview from years ago with Brian Eno where he's going on about there being nothing worse than making music by starting at a screen and clicking a mouse. Cubicle music I think he called it lol. At the same time, hardware is fun but really, it's just not practical to not use a daw with all the features and possibilities we now take for granted.

I'm hoping that overbridge is going to be the catalyst that starts manufacturers really thinking about hardware/DAW integration. What excites me most about overbridge is that they are making a big deal over their solution for latency over USB. Having 4 channels of analogue that simply shows up as a plugin with all the automation etc is fantastic.

Roland (TR-8) you should hang your head in shame.

True, it's just a shame that the Elektron machines are somewhat basic in sounds. Still I'd love to be able to have full zero latency DAW integration and that alone will be worth it.

I really don't know what Korg, Roland and Yama have been playing at for the last 15 years, since this integration became a common request.

not against the clock, he obviously pre-programmed it. but great musical jam on inexpensive gear - you usually just get a collection of noises. must take a lot of skill to recreate something like this in itself.

fucking LOVE that bass especially the second pattern at 47 seconds... very simon berry-esque. epic as fuck.

This guy is the master of using relatively cheap setups to create something fucking awesome

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Wat? I know you're probably bitter from those other threads but learn to compartmentalize. There was no joke. True, there's a great interview from years ago with Brian Eno where he's going on about there being nothing worse than making music by starting at a screen and clicking a mouse. Cubicle music I think he called it lol. At the same time, hardware is fun but really, it's just not practical to not use a daw with all the features and possibilities we now take for granted. You've got a point but if dance music isn't fundamentally a "beat" (or better said a groove), then I don't know what is. But yeah, they're not doing anything that is musically amazing, and actually nothing that wasn't done 25 years ago.

you can't groove running a quantized sequence. So no, it isn't groove. It is terrible musicians haphazardly putting shit places they don't quite understand the end result and taking way to long to do it. It would take about 4 sedconds to actually play something that could groove instead of pressing buttons but i'm pretty sure they couldn't hammer a key on the quarter note in time let alone do something interesting

button pushing is just really lame at least in the musical sphere. Look at how fast i can program something that someone could play in 1/10 the time. I also don't get why everyone doing this is so fucking ugly.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I also don't get why everyone doing this is so fucking ugly.

lololololololololololo xxD

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney you can't groove running a quantized sequence. So no, it isn't groove. It is terrible musicians haphazardly putting shit places they don't quite understand the end result and taking way to long to do it. It would take about 4 sedconds to actually play something that could groove instead of pressing buttons but i'm pretty sure they couldn't hammer a key on the quarter note in time let alone do something interesting

Well technically you can make a groove running a quantized sequence, just not hard quantized to equal divisions or measure. Any daw allows you to quantize to groove, but I digress.

however there are tricks you can do to add grove timing; for insance on my dusty old tribe, the stereo pads when triggered, cut off the mono pads but the timing is slightly off (by design) so you can start introducing some groove. Same with resmapling and timing of hits. The new tribes (along with a bunch of other grooveboxes, actually allow you to use and edit groove templates.

I do agree that none of these are doing that so yeah, there's no real groove to them, but it's simply not true to say you can't get groove going from a drum machine. the functionality is there.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney I also don't get why everyone doing this is so fucking ugly.

Dude, music is only second to beer in allowing ugly people to have sex.

inb4 rann wins a sig quote

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Dude, music is only second to beer in allowing ugly people to have sex.

Either way, I'm a winner

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