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get to know your TA rivals

i thought of making a thread so we could just see in general where everyone stands on issues. The following catagories are:

Religion:
right - conservative values, morals should be dictated to all
left - seperation of religion and state

Economy:
right- free market - La'zay fair [sp], pure capitalism
left - heavy taxes for more subsidies (socialist), take from rich give to poor, government intervention/regulation

Foriegn Policy:
right - tough stance when needed, intimidation, active role in influencing world governments.
left - dimplomacy, isolationsism, indifference.

Social Issues
left - pro (Abortion, Euthenasia, drugs, homosexuals marriage/adoption)
right - agianst (Abortion, Euthenasia, drugs, homosexuals marriage/adoption)

it may be hard to decide if you're left or right, so you can also say nuetral. and this spectrum doesnt show how far left or right you are.
if you want to add more catagories please do so, i just picked the most general ones i could find.

Me
Religion - left
Economy - right
Foriegn Policy - right
Social Issues - left

I do not agree on all of the categories (e.g. Bush is a right-winger and his foreign policies before sept. 11 could be described by your "left"-list), but keeping to the spirit of them, I'm:

Religion: left
Economy: right
Foreign policies: left
Social issues: left

I agree the categories and descriptions are not perfect, but then.. what is?

so, here is JohnSmith left all the way:
Religion: left
Economy: left (this one especially will take some explaining)
Foreign policies: left
Social issues: left

i dont give a fuck about anything usually, even sumthing which may affect me in a bad way, ill just joke about it. ill make snide comments that may offend other people because they take life too seriously, but i find it funny.

a debate is all well and good but when it gets heated its easy to take to piss because u aint gonna change sum1 elses PoV over the internet.

i probably wont come here anyway, only to annoy you once and a while.

oh yeh im quite right wing if anyone cares

Religion: Left
Economy: Right
Foreign Policy: Neutral
Social Issues: Left

Generally speaking, here is how I feel. Although, when it comes down to different situations, I may not be easily defined by a left vs right stance.

Religion:
left - seperation of religion and state
Economy:
right- free market - La'zay fair [sp], pure capitalism
Foriegn Policy:
right - tough stance when needed, intimidation, active role in influencing world governments.
Social Issues:
Abortion - Against
Euthenasia - For
Drugs - For the legalization of some, not all
homosexuals marriage/adoption - Undecided

Although it aint as black N white as described by Izzy some fundamental differences in views on politics/religion/culture are certain. 99% of those who for example support a hard uncompromising policy against Palestinian terrorism also advocated the Invasion of Afghanistan. This has simply to do with their basic attitude towards terrorism which is again derived from their general view on "foreign policy".
For a start I think a simplified introduction into everyone's general positions on certain issues is quite helpful

Religion - left
Economy - right
Foriegn Policy - right
Social Issues - left

Just like Izzy

Re: get to know your TA rivals

Religion
right - conservative values, morals should be dictated to all

Economy
right - free market - La'zay fair [sp], pure capitalism

Foriegn Policy
right - tough stance when needed, intimidation, active role in influencing world governments.

Social Issues
left - pro (Abortion, Euthenasia, drugs)
right - agianst (homosexuals marriage/adoption)

there is where i stand.

>JM<

JohnSmith is my rival. But i already knew that I've still got respect for the guy...

hmmm...i guess i shold explain my "left" on social issues. i believe that terminally ill patients should have the say whether they want to suffer more or end their life. Pro-abortion in early stages of development <3 months. Drugs? may actually reduce the number of dependants, while raising tax revenues for the State. More tax revenues for the State may be used to help people (bums) find jobs and do something with their life, but nut used for extensive social welfare programs such as in some (most) European socialist countries.

ok. there's my explanation...i guess i cotradict myself in some things...although, i'm not entirely right imo...i am, in my views more liberal than most hard-core conservative ppl.

>JM<

i dont see the point in having a thread that asks such general questions... not to pry, but whats the point???!

im fairly right winged

Religion - right with freedoms to choose
Economy - right but slightly pro welfare
Foriegn Policy - left
Social Issues - pro Euthenasia but otherwise right

I like to meet in the middle with alot of issues. Its not too popular to be fully to one side. Thats why I vote reform in canada. they are living in the present, and use values from both sides. In my opinion that is necessary for success in this day and age.

quote:

Originally posted by Juricimo JohnSmith is my rival. But i already knew that I've still got respect for the guy...

I knew that also, i have respect for you too. to think that we met over a trance song (3 drives greece 2000) and we are this far apart on our views!

quote:

Originally posted by Juricimo hmmm...i guess i shold explain my "left" on social issues. i believe that terminally ill patients should have the say whether they want to suffer more or end their life. Pro-abortion in early stages of development <3 months. Drugs? may actually reduce the number of dependants, while raising tax revenues for the State. More tax revenues for the State may be used to help people (bums) find jobs and do something with their life, but nut used for extensive social welfare programs such as in some (most) European socialist countries. >JM<

I agree with these leftist views of yours. I believe in freedom of choice, in almost all cases. Except of course, it tramples someone elses freedom. "Your right to swing your fist ends when it hits my face" as someone said.

Looking forward to taking you on juricimo.

Religion - left
Economy - right
Foreign Policy - neutral leaning right
Social Issues - left

I am the founder of the Intelligent Party. We currently have one member and are not recruiting.

Cheers,

Arbiter

Religion - Left
Economy - Right
Foreign Policy - Neutral Leaning to Left
Social Issues - Left

looking forward to some good debates

Well before I choose what side I'm on, I'd like to say I approach all issues based on the human condition.. What I mean is ultimately what matters in life is quality of life, and I try to treat issues from that angle. A humanist I is

Religion - Left
Economy - Mixed economy, MIDDLE. Still unsure of exactly where I stand, but definately not either extreme.
Foreign policy - Middle - UN in theory is my vision of the future, where all the world is involved in major issues and policies. A world government body of the future is what I envision.
Social Issues - Left

On Religion:
Well, I'm athiest, so I guess that would be more in the category of Neutral. I think that people should be able to celebrate whatever religion they want to, Whenever they want, but within limits(we can't have people going around sacrificing goats to the hamburger gods at Checker's, now can we?)

On Economy:
I'm very Republican. I consider myself republican only because of my stance in this category. If you have money you deserve it. This is not to say that if you do not have money that you do not deserve it, but Come on, if you have a couple million in the bank, wouldn't you cant it just as much as if you had 100 bucks in there?

On Social Issues:
I'm Independent in this part. I think Weed should be legalized and I'm pro-choice and all that shit. I've heard democrats and republicans say friggin stupid things about this topc, lol.

On Iraq:
Ummm...One word...Marines. It would take one Marine sniper one bullet to solve the whole friggin problem. Marine who? What? There were no Marines in Iraq on that day. We really don't know what your talking about. OK, now, lets open the trade and benefit both countries. We get oil, they don't have to look at all those damn statues of Sadam's ulgy mug.

I think we should go like Switzerland though. Go neutral. I mean, you don't see any nukes pointed at the Swiss. You don't see any Swiss buildings having airplanes flown into them. We have the economy for it. We have the strength where no one would argue. Just let everyone piss their pants when we bring back all our troops and let them deal with their own shit.

Ummm, I think thats it. I'm glad this forum is open. I love social and political discussions. Hopefully we'll have no tools in here screwing it up. Happy debating!

religion: left
economy: right
foreign policy: right
Social Issues: left and right... :P

Religion : In the middle. I belive in seperation of church and state, but I also believe we all can learn and use a lot of things that religion teaches.

Economy: Left

Foriegn Policy: Right

Social Issues: I'm pro choice(abortion), pro Euthenasia, pro certain drugs, pro homosexual marriage. Im against homosexuals adopting kids though simply because I feel that esspecially at a young age, it could have a very negative impact on the kid. Not in there sexual development, but in the way they are treated.

Re: get to know your TA rivals

Religion - left (separation)

Economy - 90% laissez faire ; 10% Left (i agree that in some cases it may be req'd some intervention)

Foriegn Policy - 99% left (i don't fit in the "isolationsism, indifference" part)
Social Issues - left (pro)

Also, i HATE dogmas. Your paradigm, your PoV (or mine) may be wrong, so don't ever stick to them as it was a matter of faith. Too much people believe in stuff without being sure about their ideas.

It has gone to a point where you don't talk about "your ideas" but "your beliefs" and that's bad.

zzleeper thanks for the spelling on laissez faire
sorry if the catagories too general, but in specific cases everybody has varying stances, i just wanted us to get a general feel for where we stand... and the examples i gave for each catagorie arent too accurate and werent meant to be taken exactly but i just though of giving some examples to help you decide where you are on right - left spectrum.

cool opinions btw, i see we have a wide array of people and beliefs

Religion - Left
Economy - Neutral leaning towards right
Foreign Policy - Left
Social Issues - Left

Well, I believe in the following things

1 : Separation of church & state (of course, unless you prefer teh Taliban)

2 : Ending Prohibition (aka the war on drugs) Even legalizing crack.

3 : Marrage should no longer be state sponsored

4 : Scaled fines based on income (like those cool finnish parking fines that keep even the millionaires on their toes. )

5 : Hi-Tech development in alternative energy to put arab oil barons out of business & buy out american oil companies to do this

6 : A free market (with crackdowns on monopolies) competetion is the driving force for a successful free market. Which is why public schools suck

7 : Scaled income tax percentages based on income

8 : Abolishing the property tax (what's yours is yours)

9 : Ending any forms of scholarship taxes

10 : Curtail union greed and reduce union's ability to protect crappy workers. (I hear about this and unions way too much)

11 : create a watch list on anti-american groups such as the nation of islam, michigan militia, and al-queda, as well as others.

Re: Re: get to know your TA rivals

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Originally posted by zzleeper Also, i HATE dogmas. Your paradigm, your PoV (or mine) may be wrong, so don't ever stick to them as it was a matter of faith. Too much people believe in stuff without being sure about their ideas. It has gone to a point where you don't talk about "your ideas" but "your beliefs" and that's bad.

I agree wholeheartedly.


"The sage does not expect that others
use his criteria as their own."

-Lao Tzu

in general, im an independant leaning towards the left, except for the economy: im a firm believer in markets

itll be fun debating whatever w/ u guys!

Re: get to know your TA rivals

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Originally posted by Izzy i thought of making a thread so we could just see in general where everyone stands on issues. The following catagories are: Religion: right - conservative values, morals should be dictated to all left - seperation of religion and state Economy: right- free market - La'zay fair [sp], pure capitalism left - heavy taxes for more subsidies (socialist), take from rich give to poor, government intervention/regulation Foriegn Policy: right - tough stance when needed, intimidation, active role in influencing world governments. left - dimplomacy, isolationsism, indifference.

Several of your caregorizations show your bias. I didn't even have to read what you picked for the first three, I just knew from the way you worded it. Oh well.

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