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your opinion on arabs and muslims ?

what do you guys think of arab and muslim people generally ? how do you look at them right now ?

i honestly dont care what your background may be. if youre a good person i'll like ya. if you are a jerk, or try to shove who you are in my face i'll treat you like you deserve.

dosent matter what you are, only who you are....dig?

While, there are very few of them where I live, when I see them I dont think twice about it, you notice it, you walk on. The chances of them being a terrorist or whatnot are really quite slim. It's just like, calling all black people crooks, or all germans nazi's.

INCREDIBLY STUPID

I've been on the short end of racism(in my case because I'm jewish), and from experience if nothing else, I know all the stereotyping stuff is just stupid.

well in attempt to avoid a huge debate... (wait, what am i saying, this is the political forum!), i have to say that generally i have no problems with them on an individual basis....

some things i have a problem with: the politics in the middle east. How saudi and bin laden both complain about the USA being on their "holy land", yet when they were getting invaded by Iraq ten years ago, it was ok for the US to come and build bases THEN.... but now, its a problem

i can understand around mecca or what-not, but you can't very well say the ENTIRE middle-east is all holy land, and that any non-muslim on it is violating their fundamental laws of religion... it just isn't right. In our countries the church is sacred, yes, but the church is not the entire country! I know this is just minute cultural differences, but it wouldn't matter if it wasn't causing so many wars... all simply based on religion and land.

unfortunately the common denominator here is the arabs and muslims, always fighting for "their land"... problem is, they don't stick to their guns... they just have problems with it when its "convenient" for them... like the whole desert storm war... that still bothers me. Saudi and Kuwait literally begged for US support, and they said "sure, come in and have bases, sure sure!", but now they want us out.... well what the fuck do they think is going to happen as soon as we pull out? SADDAM WILL JUST FUCKING ATTACK AGAIN!

phew. apologies. i just get so frustrated dealing with all this everyday.

yeah yeah i know there are a lot of other factors, but this is saudi's main problem with us now, these are the complaints of the saudi citizens i have personally talked to, and these were the EXACT reasons bin laden gave for his vengeance-crusade against the "evil US"....

as far as the everyday arab, i have no problem with... its just a lot of them will have the strongest anti-US sentiment out of anyone, and they themselves have never been wronged by our country... they were just programmed to believe so by the propaganda their country and religion teaches them.

I am not saying their religion is wrong or mine is right - i believe that religion shouldn't dictate how you live your life - thats up to you... and any religion that puts SO many hatred and anger (as well as restrictive rules) in people is not a religion i agree with. And no, i'm not christian or jewish. I'm ABT-ist.

-ABT-

Like Grandpa Willy used to say "Every tree has it's bad apples".

lol

Arabs & Muslims (remember that they are separate groups of people, not one and the same - half of Lebanon is Christian) are exactly the same as the rest of us.

But just like every single religion around the world, there is a lunatic fringe. And it's the lunatic fringes that tend to get noticed far more than any others....

Modern Muslims are mostly nice people but the conservative ones are just as annoying as those right-wing Christians.

People need to learn that politics and religion do not match!

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Originally posted by webmeister Arabs & Muslims (remember that they are separate groups of people, not one and the same - half of Lebanon is Christian) are exactly the same as the rest of us.

See now your starting to seperate christians and muslims. Your saying that christians are just like "the rest of us" but the problem is with the muslims. That's not true at all! Religion isn't the seperating factor. It's the regions. You can't look at Saudi arabia or 'the arabian pen.' the same way as the rest, like syria, lebanon,etc... every area has it's own policies. I personally can't stand the saudi's policies/laws ....I believe in the seperation of religion and the govt!!!

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline i can understand around mecca or what-not, but you can't very well say the ENTIRE middle-east is all holy land, and that any non-muslim on it is violating their fundamental laws of religion... it just isn't right.

That's exacty what i'm talking about.... The laws in Saudi are just plain ridiculous! I can't stand it. There's nothing in islam that set's such harsh policies.
Basically why i'm soo upset, is because their extremism and their retarted laws are giving a bad impression about arabs and muslims. Not all arabs share the same veiws and opinions.

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Originally posted by ABTsportsline as far as the everyday arab, i have no problem with... its just a lot of them will have the strongest anti-US sentiment out of anyone, and they themselves have never been wronged by our country... they were just programmed to believe so by the propaganda their country and religion teaches them.

The arabs might not of been directly wronged by the US, but rather by the policies towards the middle east.
as for being 'programmed' by propaganda, doesn't that happen in the US, and almost everywhere else to a certain extent. As for their religous teachings. The religion itself does not teach them anti-US sentiment, but rather i would say the religious teachers do. The problem i see is with some of the relgious extremist sheiks.

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Originally posted by InsomnEac Like Grandpa Willy used to say "Every tree has it's bad apples". lol

yea, that's true! One can't generlize.

I also agree with cycloptor. I don't care where your from/what religion. If you have respect for me, i'll have respect for you. My social boundries are not set based on religion or race.

again. Not all arabs share the same veiws and opinions!

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Originally posted by Tranex02 See now your starting to seperate christians and muslims. Your saying that christians are just like "the rest of us" but the problem is with the muslims. That's not true at all! Religion isn't the seperating factor. It's the regions. You can't look at Saudi arabia or 'the arabian pen.' the same way as the rest, like syria, lebanon,etc... every area has it's own policies. I personally can't stand the saudi's policies/laws ....I believe in the seperation of religion and the govt!!!

Nononono you misunderstood me, that's not what I meant at all. I was making the point that Arabs aren't necessarily Muslims, and vice-versa, which is something that seems to get conveniently forgotten...

with regards to all kinds of muslims and arabs out there i have always enjoyed their culture in terms of histroy, food, family values, friendship, hospitality... etc.
the only gruge i may hold agianst them is that i dont see enough of thier spiritual and political leaders speaking out and actually trying to do something about the terrorism, hate and violence that festers in small areas of their society. the threats coming from 'the muslim community' are very global and very serious, i think they themselves should be doing more and putting some effort to help prevent it.

Habib's kicks al-arse!!!

Arabs rule We had some "arab trend" a few months ago here, and everybody would listen to arab music, eat arab food and stuff like that. Our greatest fast-food chain is "Habib's" that sell wonderful sfihas! They cost just 7 cents

Don't generalise: terrorists suck. Arabs rule Terrorist arabs suck even more for making such nice people look bad

hmm....i'm realizing that more and more of the Arab/Muslim people around here are speaking out against US's policy and such. I dunno what to think, people are people, and i respect differences and people alike... I believe there is a lot of dictatorship and corruption by leaders in Muslim/Arab countries that control what is being said to the public by the media and such, creating a one-sided hatred toward America.

>JM<

Re: Habib's kicks al-arse!!!

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Originally posted by Maaz Arabs rule We had some "arab trend" a few months ago here, and everybody would listen to arab music, eat arab food and stuff like that. Our greatest fast-food chain is "Habib's" that sell wonderful sfihas! They cost just 7 cents Don't generalise: terrorists suck. Arabs rule Terrorist arabs suck even more for making such nice people look bad

lol...yea!
Sfihas are great!

i couldnt give a fuck about sumbodies religion but i think religion is a crock of shit.

I'm going to be hounest with u...

I can't trust em!
I'm saying that because I have a couple of Friends that comes from Arab countries and All of them are lying about things , all the time!!
But I hope that has nothing to do with their backround...but it's strange that all of em act the same way.
They are nice guys...but as I said ,I can't trust em. :/

Peace!

Most of them suck, but I'm not convinced it's a significantly higher proportion of them than other ethnic groups, so I'll continue to evaluate people on a purely individual basis. Such categorizations may be convenient, but relying on them only impedes your ability to evaluate another person's character most accurately.

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Originally posted by Arbiter Most of them suck, but I'm not convinced it's a significantly higher proportion of them than other ethnic groups, so I'll continue to evaluate people on a purely individual basis. Such categorizations may be convenient, but relying on them only impedes your ability to evaluate another person's character most accurately.

when you say most of them suck , are you talking about the arabs you personally know or the arab people generally ?

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Originally posted by Tranex02 as for being 'programmed' by propaganda, doesn't that happen in the US, and almost everywhere else to a certain extent.

i never said there wasn't propaganda in the US, but the "propaganda" over here is FARRRR different from the propaganda in the middle east and even the terrorist groups in the far east...

our propaganda is mostly focusing on OUR country's positivities, patriotism, etc... we are not told that "arabs are evil" (much like how the middle east teaches their residents that "americans are evil".... we do not promote a "jihad", we do not say "go out and kill arabs".... matter of fact, we give the ones here refuge... I have seen some of the propaganda from over there (when i was over there), and you'd be surprised the likeness of their anti-US advertising campaign to hitler's anti-semetic campaign of the 30's and 40's. Their propaganda is designed to teach hatred of ALL americans - even women and children, as they see we are all products of the devil...

You have any idea of how amazed they are when they see a FEMALE staff sergeant barking orders at a MALE airman, and she is NOT covering her face, and she is making her own decisions.... they think we are products of hell man! Instead of being mature enough to realize cultural differences, they think we need to be slaughtered (or at least this is what their propaganda propagates...)

and as far as the US indirectly harming the average citizen of the middle east based on trade restrictions, this is really hairy... you can't fairly say that we just "butted in" and created all these restrictions for no reason... shit's been brewing over there for thousands of years... for some reason, anyone who lives in that area feels compelled to attack another area... with the intention of expanding their "land" or to pillage.... the US does not do this, we don't attack other countries for land or to pilfer... (don't tell any native americans i said that )

i dont know... hairy subject. moving on...

i think that the muslims now are like the christians back in the crusade days.

so yeah im kind of fed up with the religion right now.

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Originally posted by fastmp3 when you say most of them suck , are you talking about the arabs you personally know or the arab people generally ?

I was referring to the ones I know personally, since those are the only ones I can really be sure about. Although I'd say it's likely that you could extrapolate that with a fair degree of accuracy. I probably ought to elaborate a bit more - I think most of the humans I know suck, so it would really be a surprise if I didn't think most of the arabs I know suck as well.

I wish I wasn't so critical of others, because frankly it's not the best way to make friends, but I have to be honest about the impressions that people give me.

I actually happen to know a lot of muslims and arabs because my roommate freshman year was from Pakistan, and I still regularly hang out with him and and a lot of other arabs at my college. The problem I have with them is that they tend to be pretty judgmental, occasionally even dogmatic. I get along with them by just not arguing with them, because when I do they tend to get very upset, which is another thing that bothers me because I enjoy friendly debate.

In comparison with other ethnic groups, I'd say I tend to like them a little less, but only because I can't identify with them as much. Most of them are well-intentioned people, but a lot of them are very ignorant - a problem that is probably even more profound in their own countries.

I would like them to totally condemn terrorism and I assume MANY of them do not have a positive opinion of the those who would hijack (literally) their faith but there is the typical "brother" syndrome which I understand totally.

hmmm... they are people.

Anybody study Sufism... 90% of Muslim males belong to a sufi order, even if they do not participate in its mystical ways... I consider this to be a very productive and intriguing religious tradition, though i find mainstream islam to be arbitrary and insignificant.

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Originally posted by DuMonde TrAnCeR i couldnt give a fuck about sumbodies religion but i think religion is a crock of shit.

god has this place full of fire, pain, and anguish, will you will be sent for all eternity ... but he loves you - George Carlin

the line above, is the reason I dont believe in hell, I can believe in heaven, gods, etc, cause they're a good thing, but hell is cruel and unusual punishment, and I just dont accept it in my heart. I just dont believe in evil, and I see hell as evil.

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Originally posted by davinox i think that the muslims now are like the christians back in the crusade days. so yeah im kind of fed up with the religion right now.

The arabs back then were like that too, they burned the original library of alexandria to the ground, and the arab invasion of europe was halted in the middle of France. Few people know about the days of Arab conquests a while after the fall of the Roman empire. Probably cause western culture was nearly destroyed. Why do you think we use Arabic numerals and not the Roman ones? It's a piece of a historical puzzle that most people are not familiar with. I dont know much about it myself.

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Originally posted by Verona^My god has this place full of fire, pain, and anguish, will you will be sent for all eternity ... but he loves you - George Carlin the line above, is the reason I dont believe in hell, I can believe in heaven, gods, etc, cause they're a good thing, but hell is cruel and unusual punishment, and I just dont accept it in my heart. I just dont believe in evil, and I see hell as evil.

Hell if there is one..is for people like Bin Laden and the Snipers in America..

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