General discussion: When is a war "justified"

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Posted by TranceGiant on Oct-30-2002 22:37:

General discussion: When is a war "justified"

No�concrete debate on Afghanista, Iraq Israel or some other conflict. Just a genereal question, theoretically: when is there need for violence, when is war inevitable, legitimate and justified ?

Posted by ABTsportsline on Oct-30-2002 22:51:

when the economy's in a slump and elections are coming up? or how about if that country has a lot of oil that you want...

Posted by TranceGiant on Oct-30-2002 22:53:

Damn it I forgot to add "serious" to "general discussion"

Posted by TranceGiant on Oct-30-2002 22:55:

ducking non existence of the "edit" button: i am aware of your sarcastic pisstake of certain america-critics, though

Posted by jp on Oct-30-2002 22:58:

It shoud work again, the edit button

Posted by Arbiter on Oct-30-2002 23:11:

I have given this a lot of thought, and I honestly don't think there is a universal criteria you can apply to any situation to see to what extent war is justified. There are simply too many factors that merit consideration.

Posted by ABTsportsline on Oct-31-2002 04:23:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
ducking non existence of the "edit" button: i am aware of your sarcastic pisstake of certain america-critics, though

exxxxxx-actly!

Posted by drizzt81 on Oct-31-2002 04:27:

if you get attacked, war is justified. if someone comes a-knocking on your door, and tries to kill you + family, you are ok to defend yourself

Posted by Nadi on Oct-31-2002 06:42:

While it differs from case to case the only real reason I consider war justifiable is if you've been attacked, or the country your at war with has violated some major treaty, or is funding, or participating in activities that you have proof, can put the country at risk.

Posted by IronDragon on Oct-31-2002 06:46:

When the interests of your nation are in danger and all forms of diplomacy have failed.

Posted by Verona^My on Oct-31-2002 18:55:

Re: General discussion: When is a war "justified"

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
No�concrete debate on Afghanista, Iraq Israel or some other conflict. Just a genereal question, theoretically: when is there need for violence, when is war inevitable, legitimate and justified ?

as a general rule, when your attacked, or one of your allies have been attacked, there are exceptions, genocide, madmen building nukes, invasions of soverign nations and some others.

Posted by rupert on Nov-01-2002 11:35:

war can always be justified, there is seldom good versus bad in war.

Except in cases of oppression as a result of imperialism.

Under the United Nations Charter all people have the right to self determination. Invariably people have to fight to get self determination, its seldom given voluntarily.

To put it in concrete rather than abstract terms, I will give an example:

A slave will always be a slave until he takes action to remove the chains. The chains dont get removed by asking nicely, they get removed by killing the slave master.

Posted by Nastarte on Nov-01-2002 19:34:

i think the idea of war should be viewed the same as civil disobedience. That it is done only as a last resort when talks fail. Following the ideas of John Rawls and Martin luther king jr for the reason of Civil disobedience [ which could be viewed as war[
If it must be done, it must be done fast and wiht little negative reaction as possible.
You must be facing a clear and substanial injustice.
lawful approaches have been tested and failed.
You must be willing to help others or support others action if they are doing something in the same vain.
It must be done for the good and not the bad reaction [ not to fight simply to kill others]
war can be justified, just people don't seem to think it though all the time.