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Posted by speedracer_mec on Oct-31-2002 00:51:

Tranceport 1 Controversy

OK its been a couple years that these rumors have been circling around.....and if u havent heard then now u hear it.

First let me say...I HAVE ALOT of respect for oakenfold..and yall on the board know me as a huge oakenfold defender. GREAT dj etc...

BUt someone told me..on tranceport one..he mixed the cd with a computer program..which caused its masterful flow and ease from song to song. the near perfect mixing was tooo perfect.

DID He have a program digitally mix the cd for him?

Posted by amit on Oct-31-2002 00:53:

every fucking dj mixes with the computer!!!!!!

Posted by speedracer_mec on Oct-31-2002 00:55:

one more thing...MATT DAREY's euphoria series..were mixed by a program.

he popped the tunes in and the program did the work for him.

great mixes..level 3/4 were great.

but as far as tranceport 1?

Posted by djSlain on Oct-31-2002 00:55:

actually the rumor is that he used 3 Turntables, ala Carl Cox.

Posted by rory21 on Oct-31-2002 00:57:

bru it doesn't matter. that cd is probbile the best trance cd ever made. you cares if it was mixed by a computer or whatver. listen to the music for what it is. all the MoS cd are mixed by a computer. i know oakenfold is a good dj and that his mixes are perfect, i seen him live. the computer was probally used to give it a more profesional feel.

Posted by speedracer_mec on Oct-31-2002 00:59:

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Posted by starglider on Oct-31-2002 01:02:

Most mix CDs are done on a computer nowadays... it's not talked about a whole lot but that doesn't mean it's not happening. Global Underground compilations, for instance, are almost entirely mixed digitally. Does that diminish the DJ's skills? No. There are thousands of DJs with technical skill approaching that of superstar jocks. The ones at the top got there because they play tunes that the rest of us might find out about months later. Besides, these DJs know where they want each track mixed in, they know how they want it to sound and they know how to achieve it. Do we need to make sure they can still beatmatch? Nah...

Posted by Pio on Oct-31-2002 01:08:

i don't care what anyone says, this cd never made it for me, you can tell it was mixed using a computer like most of the mix compilations out there. Sounds kinda stale.

However, Tiesto cds say 'live (or studio) turntable mix'. He has said many times that he hates how stale mixing comes out when using a computer. And then you look for minor flows in ISOS

Posted by Fast Turtle on Oct-31-2002 02:16:

granted from how he transitions from the one remix of someone into the other, I'd say it's computer done...may not be, but I think it is. Most of the other tranceports are.

Posted by biznology on Oct-31-2002 03:05:

regardless- you all act like there is some magic computer where you put in 12 tracks hit 'create' and a masterpiece like tranceport 1 or GU013 comes out of the cd drawer. yah right.

sasha no doubt worked his ass off for the GU. IF oakie mixed tranceport 1, then it was prolly live, and edited to perfection or something. if it was done on a computer, he prolly had one of his underlings do it.

still, WE arent making cds at a record pace with this magic program, so who cares? late|

Posted by tranceDJ on Oct-31-2002 03:06:

I remember Matt Darey saying he uses CDs to mix his albums. Most DJs use Pro tools and other mixing programs. The CD isn't live, it's meant to be listened to at home so the mixing should be done as good as possible. I know Tiesto makes his mixes on turntables though and sometimes DJs will have a studio mix CD such as the 2nd cd of Transport 4 (Max Graham).

Posted by Dmatrox on Oct-31-2002 03:37:

I think Paul Van Dyk's politics of dancing CD is too perfectly mixed to be mixed by van dyk himself. i beleive he used a computer. Listen to that cd and keep in mind that a computer mixed it.

as for transport 1, i dunno

by the way, listen to Carl Cox - mixed live at crobar (this is a real cd) it has really good mixing and is definately not mixed by a computer.

Posted by djSlain on Oct-31-2002 03:56:

ya, it's true that Politics of Dancing was created on a computer.

Posted by BigBoi609 on Oct-31-2002 03:57:

Yesh! Carl Cox live at Crobar is bad-ass! He plays with the songs and keeps his shit really entertaining.

As for Tranceport, it's not a live set and should be clean to the point of perfection. However you put it, he still had to something. The program isnt going to mix every track to perfection, or else we'd all be big-name DJ's

Posted by Stories on Oct-31-2002 04:10:

One of my favorite CDs of all time is DJ Micro's Tech Mix Live from Avalon. The track selection is awesome and mixing is pretty close to mint. He's a great DJ in my opinion, might not be the greatest producer, but he's got great taste in music!

Posted by MaxC on Oct-31-2002 04:20:

I think there's more to it than just throwing a list of tracks into the mixer program and letting it pump out a flawless mix. Even if it beatmatches perfectly, how does it know when to fade in and out to make the proper effect? What sounds good for one transition may sound god-awful for another, and I don't think software can tell the difference. MixMeister has a so-called auto-mix feature but 99% of the time it's crap because it just crossfades the last 10 seconds of the track or some crap like that. Speaking of which, does anyone know some good DJ software they could recommend? I like the way you can physically manipulate the waveforms in MixMeister but you can't separate the tracks into channels which is a real bummer. (Technically they have "bass" volume and "treble" volume, but that's not the same as having hi's, lo's and mid's at your disposal.)

Posted by DJ_Skaya on Oct-31-2002 04:23:

I hate to break it to you guys, but ALMOST every compilation mix out there is digital. The only DJ who is known to make them all live is Tiesto. With Oakey I'm not sure, because even tho his mixes sound like they were done on comp sometimes, the record surface noise is always on his recordings. If you read the notes on the box of GU: 007 New York it says "This recording was mastered direct from vinyl at the request of the dj and therefore contains characteristics of that sound medium, such as record surface noise". PvD and Sasha and Digs all definitely use computers, their compilations are just so smooth its unbelievable. I guess it's easier to tell if you spin yourself cuz then you know what playing live really sounds like.

Here's the easiest way to tell if it's live or not: When the dj is mixing, listen to the bass beats. If at any time when they are mixing the bass starts sounding a little inconsistent, like some kicks are stronger than others, its cuz when you mix live the bass frequencies clash and sometimes cancel each other out. If you don't hear that happen at all and the bass beats are always perfect, even when mixing (IE Politic's of Dancing), than it was done on a computer.

Posted by xDaDXeRx on Oct-31-2002 04:29:

What's this business about the computer doing all the mixing for you. That's completly not the case. It's not like you load up 10 tracks and sit back while it mixes them. The big deal with computer programs is the fact that you dont have to worry so much about keeping each track in sync with the other. With a Digital mixing program you can monitor the beat of each track and lock the tempo in on each. Pretty much everything else about the mixing is up to the Dj. When you start the qued track, how you use the eq and fade in are done just as you would do it with real gear.

Posted by Joca on Oct-31-2002 04:43:

Posted by Pio on Oct-31-2002 04:45:

That's why i like Tiesto mix compilations more than any other. They all have that raw, warm, live sound of vinyl. I bet audiophiles would notice.

Just a matter of taste, computer mixes are not easy to do at all. Working with stuff like pro-tools is not that simple. But still, it will turn out flat at the end. That's why I like live-sets better, they're just more real.

Posted by El Mariachi on Oct-31-2002 05:24:

Posted by capricorn15 on Oct-31-2002 05:42:

whatever if it as mixed ont eh computer, he could do it on the tables anyways, doesnt matter, its a fuckin cd, not a live set

Posted by IronDragon on Oct-31-2002 07:02:

quote:
Originally posted by speedracer_mec
one more thing...MATT DAREY's euphoria series..were mixed by a program.

he popped the tunes in and the program did the work for him.

great mixes..level 3/4 were great.

but as far as tranceport 1?

He admitted it though (hence why it says 'DIGITALLY MIXED BY MATT DAREY' on the cover of Ibiza Euphoria 1 and Pure Euprhoia 4). Even if he didn't you could tell. How did he get the vocals from 'Heaven's Earth' over 'Welcome to the Dance' and 'Shine' with 'You put me in heaven with you touch' so perfectly?

Posted by speedracer_mec on Oct-31-2002 08:02:

still look up to matt darey...

top producer of all time..hehe

Posted by PSi on Oct-31-2002 08:57:

quote:
Originally posted by xDaDXeRx
What's this business about the computer doing all the mixing for you. That's completly not the case. It's not like you load up 10 tracks and sit back while it mixes them. The big deal with computer programs is the fact that you dont have to worry so much about keeping each track in sync with the other. With a Digital mixing program you can monitor the beat of each track and lock the tempo in on each. Pretty much everything else about the mixing is up to the Dj. When you start the qued track, how you use the eq and fade in are done just as you would do it with real gear.

NICELY put, its not like some some program where they jsut click and drug the tracks onto some window nad give it a few hours to churn out a mixed CD. The editing is just as hard as producing a track, every single dj uses computer editing to make their mixes 'flow' so nicely.

later
PSi