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Posted by IronDragon on Oct-31-2002 06:48:

Your top 5 villians from human history

In no particular order:

Pol Pot
Mao Tse-Tung
Jospeh Stalin
Saddam Hussein
Augusto Pinochet


Posted by cycloptor on Oct-31-2002 06:51:

1. joker
2. magneto
3. dracula
4. king pin
5. fat tony from the simpsons



sorry... im really tired and sont feel like thinking of actual people. i should go to bed.


Posted by PeacefulWarrior on Oct-31-2002 07:10:

hitler
stalin
mouselini
lenin
tse-tung


Posted by JM on Oct-31-2002 07:15:

quote:
Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
hitler
stalin
mouselini
lenin
tse-tung


yeh. add osama as well as milosevic as well as arafat as well as hussein.

maybe i think of some more that will be 10

>JM<


Posted by fastmp3 on Oct-31-2002 07:33:

arafat can't be there because he won a nobel prize


Posted by cycloptor on Oct-31-2002 07:50:

quote:
Originally posted by fastmp3
arafat can't be there because he won a nobel prize


what does that have to do with anything. lots of evil minded people are brilliant in their own right. your arguement is flawed.


Posted by TranceGiant on Oct-31-2002 10:15:

Lenin? I wouldnt add Lenin
Stalin of course
Hitler
Mussolini
Napoleon.....
Thatcher


Posted by fastmp3 on Oct-31-2002 11:03:

quote:
Originally posted by cycloptor
what does that have to do with anything. lots of evil minded people are brilliant in their own right. your arguement is flawed.



DUDE it's the NOBEL PRIZE FFS and it's THE PEACE one hello does it ring something in your mind ? no offense man


Posted by TranceGiant on Oct-31-2002 11:58:

The hipocrisy of the Nobel Prize comitee became most apparent when it "officially regretted" its decision to award Shimon Peres(!) as he was accused of "supporting aggressive Israeli in his role as foreign minister". Again no single thing about Arafat's role as a haead of a terror organization and some1 who praises the killings of civilians was mentioned.

BUT this thread will NOT turn into another Israel-thread We've got enuff of them already here.


Posted by trancedfarmer on Oct-31-2002 15:12:

I dont understand why all of the villians are from the last century (or at least most)...? I would prob disagree with saddam, milosevic, mao tse tung, as being in the top five...

1. hitler
2. Genghis Khan
3. Attila the Hun
4. Pol Pot
5. Julius Ceaser

(in all fairness, nixon shouldnt be that far down)


Posted by Lira on Oct-31-2002 15:56:

I don't think these guys were SO evil. They just had a dream of turning their empires into something great and they did lots of wrong things to do so. I'm not saying I support their attitude, however, I'd say that the top 5 villians of the history were those who did it for no apparent reason: "who are they?", you might ask. Well, they were so selfish and pointless, that no history books focuses on them. But I could add lots of Roman emperors, for example.


Posted by trancedfarmer on Oct-31-2002 17:29:

Satan (eek!)

im pretty damn evil


Posted by cycloptor on Oct-31-2002 17:31:

quote:
Originally posted by TranceGiant
The hipocrisy of the Nobel Prize comitee became most apparent when it "officially regretted" its decision to award Shimon Peres(!) as he was accused of "supporting aggressive Israeli in his role as foreign minister". Again no single thing about Arafat's role as a haead of a terror organization and some1 who praises the killings of civilians was mentioned.

BUT this thread will NOT turn into another Israel-thread We've got enuff of them already here.


thank you for saying it for me.


Posted by biznology on Oct-31-2002 18:08:

define evil. everyone has motives/psychological states that are diff|


Posted by Blik on Oct-31-2002 19:34:

Bush should also be there, SR. and JR.


Motto of the fam. Bush:
Make War, Not Love

for the rest:

Hitler
Stalin

these 2 where so much worse then Genghis Khan or Julius Caesar, Stalin killed more then 30 million people!!!


Posted by biznology on Oct-31-2002 19:48:

its all relative, and my question for a definition of evil was me playing devils advocate.

make a list, and dont question everyone elses motives, cause everyone wont agree on the same people|


Posted by Arbiter on Oct-31-2002 20:17:

Adolf Hitler
Joseph Stalin
Genghis Khan
Osama Bin Laden

and...

Thomas Jefferson (along with Alexander Hamilton, the founder of American extremism)


Cheers,

Arbiter


Posted by oDrori on Oct-31-2002 20:26:

Don't flame me, but my faith in go d has always been little, it is smaller, if possible, now...

So not necesarilly got the entitity, but the concept, that divided humanity and brought so many wars upon us, is my no. 1 ....

After that I can't choose an order because monstrosities of this stature aren't calculatable. (sp?)...


Hitler...Bin Laden... Hussein... These are people I am simply more familiar with, except history lessons... from reading material there are definitely more to mention, musolini, napoleon, even the winning side of WW1 that I got to study a little about.... Humanity dealt a lot of crap on itself throughout history, along with a lot of good, it's just that these supreme negativities are so much more loud and intense...


Posted by ABTsportsline on Oct-31-2002 23:22:

quote:
Originally posted by trancedfarmer
I dont understand why all of the villians are from the last century (or at least most)...? I would prob disagree with saddam, milosevic, mao tse tung, as being in the top five...

1. hitler
2. Genghis Khan
3. Attila the Hun
4. Pol Pot
5. Julius Ceaser

(in all fairness, nixon shouldnt be that far down)


actually, ceaser wasn't that bad...
and NIXON???? what? huh? You think nixon was one of the 5 greatest villians ever? LoL... man you need to do some more history homework - if you read more about the entire watergate scandal, and events during the nixon administration, you'd know that he never did anything wrong - he was a scapegoat/puppet that took the fall...

ahhh, *wipes tear from eye*, humor.


Posted by infinity HiGH on Nov-01-2002 06:22:

quote:
Originally posted by trancedfarmer
I dont understand why all of the villians are from the last century (or at least most)...? I would prob disagree with saddam, milosevic, mao tse tung, as being in the top five...

1. hitler
2. Genghis Khan
3. Attila the Hun
4. Pol Pot
5. Julius Ceaser

(in all fairness, nixon shouldnt be that far down)


dude...omg...Can you please elaborate on how you think Julius Caesar is put in the ranks of Hitler and Genghis Khan

He was the best thing to happen to the Roman empire, next to his adopted son Augustus. Today's time's are greatly influenced by the times of both of the Caesars (Julius' and Augustus' reign). Not only that, but he's considered to be the greatest strategician of all time.

As for fictional villians, then Onslaught takes the cake. I mean, he took out the Fantastic Four AND the Avengers!!!


Posted by trancedfarmer on Nov-01-2002 06:49:

quote:
Originally posted by ABTsportsline
actually, ceaser wasn't that bad...
and NIXON???? what? huh? You think nixon was one of the 5 greatest villians ever? LoL... man you need to do some more history homework - if you read more about the entire watergate scandal, and events during the nixon administration, you'd know that he never did anything wrong - he was a scapegoat/puppet that took the fall...

ahhh, *wipes tear from eye*, humor.


im talking about all the people he killed in Vietnam, and other asian countries...


Posted by trancedfarmer on Nov-01-2002 06:52:

quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
dude...omg...Can you please elaborate on how you think Julius Caesar is put in the ranks of Hitler and Genghis Khan

He was the best thing to happen to the Roman empire, next to his adopted son Augustus. Today's time's are greatly influenced by the times of both of the Caesars (Julius' and Augustus' reign). Not only that, but he's considered to be the greatest strategician of all time.

As for fictional villians, then Onslaught takes the cake. I mean, he took out the Fantastic Four AND the Avengers!!!


he was an extremely warful (hehe) warrior....? and he lead campaigns throughout the medditeranean,, so yeah...! hehe


Posted by infinity HiGH on Nov-01-2002 07:29:

quote:
Originally posted by trancedfarmer
he was an extremely warful (hehe) warrior....? and he lead campaigns throughout the medditeranean,, so yeah...! hehe


u suck (just kiddin)

anyways, ya, he was "extremely warful" as u put it but back then society was VERY different. Of course, it doesn't justify killing thousands of people, but what bad did he really do? He created the largest empire the world has seen up until Charlamagne's time, AND his empire thrived. Not only "financially"...but in every way imaginable, even though he was disliked by many Romans. I should really refresh my own memory of all this, since it's been 3 years since I studied Ancient Civ...but I really can't think of any way he was "bad".

And he lead many campaigns throughout most of Europe and the Med, and Asia, and won most, if not all, of them. And I remember reading somewhere that he wasn't really a heartless killer. He was just very ambitious. He didn't order the slaughtering of innoncent people, like Hitler, Stalin or Khan did

"Veni, vidi, vici"
-Julius Caesar


Posted by rupert on Nov-01-2002 11:10:

it depends on the definition of evil, if you take the Christian view of evil as the "love of committing sin" then most succesful people are evil.

So it then becomes a question of degree. Did dictator x kill more people than dictator y.

As often as not people who commit evil believe they are doing the right thing and they engage in elaborate self deceptions and justifications to continue with their evil.

The people who are truly evil are those that intellectually know what they are doing is wrong, but still do it anyway, because its the way to get ahead.

The classic example of this is Hangman Heydrich the 2-I-C of the SS. An intelligent man who only believed in furthering his own career, he didnt intellectually believe in any of the nazi doctrine, nevertheless he skillfully and meticulously carried it out because it was the way to get ahead.


Posted by Ste on Nov-01-2002 16:22:

quote:
Originally posted by cycloptor
1. joker
2. magneto
3. dracula
4. king pin
5. fat tony from the simpsons



sorry... im really tired and sont feel like thinking of actual people. i should go to bed.


damn you beat me to it

id say the evil emporer ming is the baddest villan, and how come darth vader isnt in the top 5!


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