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Posted by rubez on Jul-15-2016 11:19:

korg minilogue

no interest for this synth on here?

plan on getting it. looks great, sounds pretty good as well.

korg have been on a roll lately. roland should be taking notes.


Posted by tehlord on Jul-15-2016 11:52:

Learn your other stuff first

I'm a bit underwhelmed by the Minilogue. It has a good spec for the price, but is lacking a bit in character and basic tone.

DSi Mopho x4 is far superior imo.


Posted by rubez on Jul-15-2016 11:58:

i'm exchanging the gaia in for this. it sounds pathetic. the supernatural engine in the jdxi is light years ahead of the gaia, which sounds dull, dry and muted. just awful. surprised to admit, but the haters are right.

getting a minilogue instead.

the x4 is twice the price... comparing them is silly.


Posted by tehlord on Jul-15-2016 12:07:

Then keep saving and stop buying crap for the sake of it.


Posted by rubez on Jul-15-2016 13:10:

save for what? an x4 on your say so?

i don't have any desire for that synth whatsoever

the minilogue is "crap"?!


Posted by evo8 on Jul-15-2016 13:50:

your doing the classic noob thing of buying all the synths

decide on a reputable synth - buy it - learn it


Posted by rubez on Jul-15-2016 13:56:

no, done that already. you are right though, that's a thing.

not looking to this to give me a sound i'm searching for but can't seem to find.

this is different, but i intend on learning it in detail. my jdxi is great, sounds brilliant, but i'd rather rip off my arms than menu dive for simple things like ADSR.


Posted by evo8 on Jul-15-2016 14:25:

A great synth to learn on is the Nord as there is no menu diving and has a fantastic sound to this day, always some going second hand

Ive heard some sounds from the Minilogue and it sounds pretty good - no idea whats it like to program though


Posted by rubez on Jul-16-2016 22:24:

beautiful short video. all round professionalism

gotta think about effects now. no real reverb on this. i could pass it through my jdxi or maybe i will finally get an audio interface, that would allow me to use effects from within the DAW i think? would this work in real time? third option is to buy expensive dedicated effect boxes.


Posted by evo8 on Jul-17-2016 00:22:

Yeah can run any synth through a DAW - i run all mine through Live, then put software FX on them to my heart's content


Posted by rubez on Jul-18-2016 11:00:

that's what i am going to try.

getting an audio interface and valhalla shimmer, and their free delay (echo)

found this, sounds fucking amazing. not entirely sure how it was done, but i guess it is a cover of Lolo - Why.


Posted by evo8 on Jul-18-2016 12:31:

quote:
Originally posted by rubez
that's what i am going to try.

getting an audio interface and valhalla shimmer, and their free delay (echo)

found this, sounds fucking amazing. not entirely sure how it was done, but i guess it is a cover of Lolo - Why.



Shimmer is excellent but very specialised, you'd be better off with Vintage verb, more versatile


Posted by MSZ on Jul-18-2016 17:09:

Sounds like a ReFX Vanguard


Posted by rubez on Jul-18-2016 19:27:

troll.

the reality is though, you couldn't tell the blind difference between vanguard and analogue

quote:
Originally posted by evo8
Shimmer is excellent but very specialised, you'd be better off with Vintage verb, more versatile


i think shimmer would be better as there are many standard DAW reverbs, or even free reverbs, that would be able to get closer to vintage than shimmer.


Posted by MSZ on Jul-18-2016 21:27:

Sad part is im not trolling.


Posted by tehlord on Jul-18-2016 22:44:

quote:
Originally posted by rubez
that would be able to get closer to vintage than shimmer.


Shimmer is just pitch shifted delay lines.

You can do that with standard DAW plugins too.


Posted by cryophonik on Jul-19-2016 02:06:

If it was my decision, I'd wait until after Behringer's synth hits the streets before buying another cheap analog synth.


Posted by rubez on Jul-19-2016 09:34:

there's no way behringer can bring the same quality for that price.


Posted by tehlord on Jul-19-2016 09:54:

quote:
Originally posted by rubez
there's no way behringer can bring the same quality for that price.


How's that then?


Posted by rubez on Jul-19-2016 10:16:

all the experts who reviewed the minilogue said they were very surprised they managed to bring it in at under 500 bucks.

behringer don't have the experience korg do in this field. and aren't they a budget gear company? not known for their quality, from my perception anyway. i mean the akai rhythm wolf is cheap...


Posted by tehlord on Jul-19-2016 10:27:

The 'experts' talk bollocks at the best of time. Most of them worship analogue as though it were some sort of magic elixir, when in fact it's nothing more than repurposed radio bits. It came in under 500 bucks because it has quite a few significant design compromises, many of which don't matter to the noobs that buy them. It's not a bad synth, it's just built to a price.

The 'magic' is in the circuit board design and the Minilogue fails here. It just doesn't sound that good.

Behringer purchased Midas, who are experts in this field. The videos so far show that their new synth (which was built by Midas) sound way, waaaaay better than the Minilogue.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YIsA_-iPMs


Posted by rubez on Jul-19-2016 10:46:

nick batt from sonicstate is good, marc doty also, although he is a bit anal for me. he certainly loved it. none of them were fawning over it just because it was analogue. maybe other reviewers were.

if i want pure sound quality, i have omnisphere 2. analogue is supposed to sound raw.

minilogue ticks all boxes for me and is out now. its sound, coupled with a couple of good effects is amazing. and pretty sure the aesthetic of the behringer wont be in the same class either.


Posted by tehlord on Jul-19-2016 12:27:

Nick Batt rarely gives anything a negative review as his channel is dependant on manufacturers sending him product.

Marc Doty's channel is where you go if you want to listen to somebody waffle on about dreary detail and then show you how shit a synth could have sounded in 1978.

Analogue is not 'supposed' to sound raw, it just can sound raw. It can also sound thin, lush, creamy or fat. Depending on which synth you're using and how you program it to sound.


Posted by evo8 on Jul-19-2016 12:31:

quote:
Originally posted by tehlord
The 'experts' talk bollocks at the best of time. Most of them worship analogue as though it were some sort of magic elixir, when in fact it's nothing more than repurposed radio bits. It came in under 500 bucks because it has quite a few significant design compromises, many of which don't matter to the noobs that buy them. It's not a bad synth, it's just built to a price.

The 'magic' is in the circuit board design and the Minilogue fails here. It just doesn't sound that good.

Behringer purchased Midas, who are experts in this field. The videos so far show that their new synth (which was built by Midas) sound way, waaaaay better than the Minilogue.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YIsA_-iPMs



ooooooo that sounds quite nice, first I've heard of this!

my current perspective on analog - its great when you want to go to extremes, like for high resonance, Sync etc. if you are doing pieces with minimal other sounds in the mix then yeah, you will notice all the subtleties

but when doing a mix full of a load of different sounds i don't think you will notice that much difference between the top software and analog

for me the magic is in the hands on control


Posted by tehlord on Jul-19-2016 12:43:

Yeah in a mix it becomes harder to tell, although it depends on the synth too. If you're using a full beans analogue like Minimoog, Micromac or old Oberheim it becomes much easier to hear the difference, but with these cheap ones you'd be hard pushed to tell the difference.

The funny thing is that you can do an A/B comparison with analogue and software and it'll either be identical or completely different depending on who made the comparison and what they're trying to show.


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