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Do you even hardware jam?

I know a few of us are fans of teh hardware.

I think it might be cool if there was a thread where we could post our efforts of live/improv/jam stuff.

I'm just about happy with my little setup (as far as it can go here) so I need to start practicing the live stuff now.

In the spirit of the thread I think it's ok to prepare midi and samples, but probably a good idea to veer away from tracks created with hardware and then mixed later.

I've been doing a few attempts over the last couple of months and I'm still not very good at all, but I just bought myself an APC so I'll try and do better with that!

Here's a short little 'thing' I did using the bloody mouse click method in Ableton Live. It's a bit crap, but it's a start!

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Originally posted by tehlord I know a few of us are fans of teh hardware. I think it might be cool if there was a thread where we could post our efforts of live/improv/jam stuff. I'm just about happy with my little setup (as far as it can go here) so I need to start practicing the live stuff now. In the spirit of the thread I think it's ok to prepare midi and samples, but probably a good idea to veer away from tracks created with hardware and then mixed later. I've been doing a few attempts over the last couple of months and I'm still not very good at all, but I just bought myself an APC so I'll try and do better with that! Here's a short little 'thing' I did using the bloody mouse click method in Ableton Live. It's a bit crap, but it's a start!

good idea - not everyone wants to make full tracks. I need to look into Push 2 maybe for doing some jamming

whats the kick there, Elektron?

I've just grabbed an APC mini for now as I can't fit a Push 2 on my desk, it's surprisingly un-shit.

The kick is actually from........Sonic Academy Kick 2.

It's really, really good.

I've decided to keep all the drums inside Live for now, until I have enough inputs and outputs to route hardware drums the way i'd want to.

So no cheating it should be videos posted only. That way we get to see how you jam, twistin knobs, triggering loops, and generally monkeying around etc.

All live,

No edits

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Originally posted by Mel David So no cheating it should be videos posted only. That way we get to see how you jam, twistin knobs, triggering loops, and generally monkeying around etc.

I think ideally that should be the case, but I'm not sure how possible it'll be for some people. I have a setup here that I plan to start using soon and I'm happy to share any specifics of how I do my stuff (not that I'm an expert!).

In the spirit of just sharing performances and techniques audio only is cool.

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Originally posted by Raphie All live, No edits

Always liked your analogue stuff.

One day I'll try a Cirklon.....

Thnx, actually I've sold mine, end of an era.
My analogue setup is now down to:
- Abstrakt Analogue Bassline
- Analog Rytm
- DSI pro 2
- ROLAND Integra-7
- MOOG mf104m

The rest of the synths and drumcomputers and fx are sold
As well as my API 2500 / 5500 and my Nail.

Still have plenty of outboard left, but felt I needed to scale down a bit
Bought myself an Obsidian black Mercedes E Coupe instead and fully BRABUS tuned it

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Originally posted by Raphie Thnx, actually I've sold mine, end of an era. My analogue setup is now down to: - Abstrakt Analogue Bassline - Analog Rytm - DSI pro 2 - ROLAND Integra-7 - MOOG mf104m The rest of the synths and drumcomputers and fx are sold As well as my API 2500 / 5500 and my Nail. Still have plenty of outboard left, but felt I needed to scale down a bit Bought myself an Obsidian black Mercedes E Coupe instead and fully BRABUS tuned it

Any dickhead can buy an expensive car!!

Any dickhead with �70k in the bank.....cough

Why did you sell the Cirklon though? I've always liked the idea of one, but the flexibility of Live/Push/APC clip launching always keeps me there.

The Cirklon was fun, but both the rytm and avalon have a great dedicated sequencer
When you want to leverage all the goodies you need to use their onboard sequencer
The Pro2 i seqeunce either onboard as well or via Cubase.
Too many options made me less productive.
My new goal is minimalistic

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Originally posted by Raphie The Cirklon was fun, but both the rytm and avalon have a great dedicated sequencer When you want to leverage all the goodies you need to use their onboard sequencer The Pro2 i seqeunce either onboard as well or via Cubase. Too many options made me less productive. My new goal is minimalistic

I get that. I moved away from Cubase over to Live specifically because of the simplicity it brings to hardware/software jamming.

I even use Live to sequence the Analog 4 (don't tell Gearslutz...)

LOL, yes live with push, sort of gives that pattern switch freedom that the Cirklon brings as well.
My next jams are going to be more deephouse / acid "as it comes" stuff, not polished, just find a groove and a hook and jam away. I do a lot of stem mastering nowadays where i can still polish the heck out of details. Rough jams are a good counter activity.

The entire mix process bores the crap out of me, I much rather just piss about making stuff up on the spot and then ad libbing a track layout. I rarely (if ever) save what I've done either, just render the stereo output as I do it. Once it's done it's done.

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Originally posted by tehlord The entire mix process bores the crap out of me, I much rather just piss about making stuff up on the spot and then ad libbing a track layout. I rarely (if ever) save what I've done either, just render the stereo output as I do it. Once it's done it's done.

Id like to get to that stage where jamming can just turn quickly into a the basic layout, so many times i just stick a loop going and not advancing forward

Not convinced Push 2 is the answer but only one way to find out - just need to find a reasonably priced one

For creative jamming you need to be able to switch patterns in a non lineair way.

The thing I find with the APC is that I can use session view (which was just a repository for never ending loops before) to very quickly chop in and out of clip combinations.

I tend to then start creating scenes and using scene launch to create track layouts on the fly. I can also have a number of samples in trigger mode and use clip launch to jam those into the sequence too.

It's pretty neat!

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred

You're moving so fast I can't even see you.

But this is what we need more of. Good old fashioned bbbrrggaaaAGGHHH!

If anyone has any old Roland keyboard workstations they had an RPS sequencer function where you can trigger MIDI patterns on/off via the keys. This can be really useful for mocking up a quick arrangement on the fly.

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Originally posted by Zak McKracken interdasting tred ive just started jammin but im kind of out of ideas how to record the soundcard audio input from my mixer in sync with a camera, say my ihphone so no yet youtubin - any tip apreciated. i use steinberg ur22 for recording in ableton w asio for bets midi sync. even managed to sync my ipad with rebirth to this setup so fun, but no camera.

I usually clap a couple of times in front of the camera and/or tap a couple of keys on the midi controller/instrument so I can sync up video and audio afterwards. It's low tech, but I bet more youtubers do that than would admit

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Originally posted by Mel David So no cheating it should be videos posted only. That way we get to see how you jam, twistin knobs, triggering loops, and generally monkeying around etc.

Like this?

Another little test thing with loads of mistakes and no real direction.

Setup like this :-

Nord Lead - main bell/pluck sound
Analog 4 - Standard sequenced, synced to Live via Overbridge. Parts muted/unmuted via performance mode.
Live - Kick and percussion loops.
Akai APC - Used to launch clips (Nord sequenced via Live) and trigger noise (badly.....)

I had fun fiddling with this, but it's by no means a finished performance I'm happy with!

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Originally posted by tehlord Another little test thing with loads of mistakes and no real direction. Setup like this :- Nord Lead - main bell/pluck sound Analog 4 - Standard sequenced, synced to Live via Overbridge. Parts muted/unmuted via performance mode. Live - Kick and percussion loops. Akai APC - Used to launch clips (Nord sequenced via Live) and trigger noise (badly.....) I had fun fiddling with this, but it's by no means a finished performance I'm happy with!

really cool man, Nord sounds great, what fx are you running?
the other sound that comes in later in the track, almost guitarish, love that as well but would have liked it to hang slightly longer or maybe a heavier reverb

Guys, that's super cool...but how do you actually record and save for further processing? I was thinking about an ipad which runs something like Cubasis or another lightweight sequencer...any advice is welcome...

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Originally posted by evo8 really cool man, Nord sounds great, what fx are you running? the other sound that comes in later in the track, almost guitarish, love that as well but would have liked it to hang slightly longer or maybe a heavier reverb

The Nord is running through the Live ping pong delay (which I adore!) and Toraverb (which I now adore!)

I agree that the sound that comes in later needs changing, but I was just using stock parts from the Analog 4 for now to get some practice in with the APC and using part mute on the A4 at the same time. It's surprisingly confusing lol.

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Originally posted by TranceElevation Guys, that's super cool...but how do you actually record and save for further processing? I was thinking about an ipad which runs something like Cubasis or another lightweight sequencer...any advice is welcome...

For me it's not something I do. I usually set the project up in Live, do a jam and render the stereo output as I'm doing it. I don't save the project for later as once it's done it's done.

What you could do is arm each separate channel in Live and do a multi channel render as you're tweaking live, then you can come back and mess about with it later. The only thing you won't get with that is the ability to tweak filters again etc. The way around that is to record midi instead of audio and if possible record filter changes with plugins. For example I have an editor for the nord lead that would allow me to effectively automate stuff like that.

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Originally posted by Mel David If anyone has any old Roland keyboard workstations they had an RPS sequencer function where you can trigger MIDI patterns on/off via the keys. This can be really useful for mocking up a quick arrangement on the fly.

I got a Roland D2 Groovebox off Ebay. It's going to be the 4th or 5th one I've ever owned I keep losing them pawnshops I hope to keep this one around for a long time.

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