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808 day

Here we go.

https://www.roland.com/global/produ...specifications/

Not un-expected. Or was it?

I'll express my feelings about this with a song:
https://www.beatport.com/track/be-m...nal-mix/9229046

YAAAAASSSSSS!

I've been banging on about wanting a drum machine/sequencer to fill in the gaps that my Electribe has, so Roland go an launch it on my fucking Birthday! Looks EXACTLY what I was hoping for: 808+909+midi+usb+10 outputs @ $400

How do the USB multi-outs work you have to use it as a soundcard or some shit?

it just states that it does 10 outputs of audio via USB.

It's either going to be a driver or class compliant (plug and play) so basically it's got a soundcard in it for the outputs.

This is honestly what I've been hoping for for so long.

You can record both the midi and the audio of discrete tracks from a hardware sequencer, so it's piss easy to you want to swap out one of the sounds in your DAW.

It basically sounds like an 808 that will integrate with a DAW via both midi and audio over USB. Unless there's some glaring flaw with it, Roland might have fucking nailed it, and I for one will be happy to hear a glut of music over the next few years that goes back to 808 sounds.

EDIT: I misspoke earlier when I mentioned the 909 sounds. It's only 808.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN it just states that it does 10 outputs of audio via USB. It's either going to be a driver or class compliant (plug and play) so basically it's got a soundcard in it for the outputs. This is honestly what I've been hoping for for so long. You can record both the midi and the audio of discrete tracks from a hardware sequencer, so it's piss easy to you want to swap out one of the sounds in your DAW. It basically sounds like an 808 that will integrate with a DAW via both midi and audio over USB. Unless there's some glaring flaw with it, Roland might have fucking nailed it, and I for one will be happy to hear a glut of music over the next few years that goes back to 808 sounds. EDIT: I misspoke earlier when I mentioned the 909 sounds. It's only 808.

yeah cos its something similar with the TR-8 which put me off buying it, just wondering if this is a different system

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Originally posted by evo8 yeah cos its something similar with the TR-8 which put me off buying it, just wondering if this is a different system

Why? Did it suck?

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Why? Did it suck?

To use it as a soundcard on the PC you have to use it as the soundcard, meaning no audio output through your speakers or headphones.

Yes, really.

You have to aggregate on Mac too. It doesn't work like a Virus (for example).

The biggest problem with these boutique boxes is that they're way too small. What's the point of buying VA hardware if you have to use a tweezer to use the fucking thing? At least the TR8 has reasonable sized knobs.

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Originally posted by tehlord To use it as a soundcard on the PC you have to use it as the soundcard, meaning no audio output through your speakers or headphones. Yes, really. You have to aggregate on Mac too. It doesn't work like a Virus (for example).

On PC that then sucks, but for a mac, no issue whatsoever; aggregate works just fine whenever I've had multiple interfaces.

Tbh though, it's ridiculous that windows still doesn't natively support more than one simultaneous audio interface, when mac has been able to do so for 10+ years

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Originally posted by tehlord f that's true it really blows. But I have had multiple sound cards before with no problem. They all had asio though. How would it then to sync midi tempo through USB with tr-08 and tr-09? No luck then? This is terrible if true, though if it had balanced outs I could live without USB. I'm bloody unsure about the whole boutique series but my nostalgia will probably win on 08/09 combo more than the tr-8 aria which probably is better but looks really terrible.

Again, no issue on mac, just aggregate your soundcards for real time output.

It has midi in and out for sync? But you can also do it via USB and a midi interface.

Balanced outs would be nice not really needed though, none of the original roland units were balanced. It would jack up the price by at least $300.

.....Oh, and the Tr-08 is only $349

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Originally posted by Woony The biggest problem with these boutique boxes is that they're way too small. What's the point of buying VA hardware if you have to use a tweezer to use the fucking thing? At least the TR8 has reasonable sized knobs.

I dunno. Unlike Trump, I have big hands and I don't see any of the buttons being tiny. They're smallish but I think you'd need Geoff's banana strangler hands to have a problem

The knobs and switches are what you'd find on a DJ mixer so not much issue there. I do get the small factor is annoying for studio use, but then they need to appeal to the portable market (and shipping, and storage etc) to make it viable so I understand.

I think they've nailed to be honest. $350 for an 808 with soundcard and midi? I don't see how it could really be better value.

I can't see how they would do it on PC without some kind of unified audio standard. Every motherboard has a different chip on it, the driver bloat would be huge.

I just sold my Macbook but I've got a couple of video jobs and there is NO way to route multiple ASIO channels into a single video recording application.

It's the one area I found Mac to still be King, but not enough for me to keep a �2k Macbook laying around to do one single task every couple of weeks. My PC workaround works perfectly well and takes an extra 5 mins per job.

But that's my point. Why the fuck hasn't microsoft, which has been doing this for 40 years, not been able to come up with a system, like apple did a decade ago, to allow unification of audio devices. Shit, call it unified asio. You can do the asio for all trick if you don't care about latency, but I don't know why windows as an OS haven't fixed this given that nearly all the big pro audio names lobbied M$ hard just prior to W10, and it seems M$ although met with them and talked a good game, failed to implement anything.

Aggregate +/ soundflower = godsend for multiple devices.

It must be the multiple chipset issue. They'd have to pour resources into continued updates as more chips are released and people whined about technical issues.

'Windows is about to update your audio drivers, downloading 1 of 612'

Lol true, but the issue is that they've never got to the core (sorry) issue of why the OS doesn't have a unified way of dealing with the audio chipset, like mac does. The only reason you need drivers is they've never dealt with it on an OS level. So dumb, it;s just M$ palming it off on manufacturers.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Lol true, but the issue is that they've never got to the core (sorry) issue of why the OS doesn't have a unified way of dealing with the audio chipset, like mac does. The only reason you need drivers is they've never dealt with it on an OS level. So dumb, it;s just M$ palming it off on manufacturers.

I would imagine there's a market for an agreed specification motherboard that audio professionals can use on the PC. If that happened, it would almost negate the advantage OSX has overnight.

Even if it was twice the price of a normal mobo, I'd be in.

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Originally posted by tehlord I would imagine there's a market for an agreed specification motherboard that audio professionals can use on the PC. If that happened, it would almost negate the advantage OSX has overnight. Even if it was twice the price of a normal mobo, I'd be in.

Completely agreed. I actually think they should develop something like an audio bus which doesn't involve any on board dac chips, purely just a dedicated data bus that has a set platform protocol which means any interface can use it, and then Windows isn't having to be all things to all people and audio standard would be unified etc.

It'll never happen though. M$ has never really given a shit about audio guys tbh - if gamers needed it (they don't) then it would already be in there.

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Originally posted by Zak McKracken im really indecisive here. i want both the -08 and the -09 purely for Rebirth nostalgia but the usb/asio issue and no 6mm jacks kinda puts me off. thinking about the new elektron octatrack mk2 and just load 808/909 samples into it, however 3x the price lol

Aren't you on mac? The usb thing isn't an issue for you if so.

And as for the mini jacks, I really wouldn't stress; the original 808 was 1/4" jacks that were unbalanced so there's literally no difference between them and a 3.5mm in terms of sound.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Completely agreed. I actually think they should develop something like an audio bus which doesn't involve any on board dac chips, purely just a dedicated data bus that has a set platform protocol which means any interface can use it, and then Windows isn't having to be all things to all people and audio standard would be unified etc. It'll never happen though. M$ has never really given a shit about audio guys tbh - if gamers needed it (they don't) then it would already be in there.

Given the vast market for game streaming these days, you might find that gamers can be convinced.

Right now they either use crappy onboard sound, or those that use an ASIO for voice are forced to use a 3rd party solution like Voicemeeter (which does the job excellently) to merge multiple ASIO audio streams into a format that streaming or capture software can handle (none of them will see ASIO properly). The downside to this is that you're left with a summed stereo signal, no separation of system and voice audio.

If these gamers could be sold the idea of a more 'pro' setup, it could also benefit us ratty old audio guys too.

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Originally posted by Zak McKracken im really indecisive here. i want both the -08 and the -09 purely for Rebirth nostalgia but the usb/asio issue and no 6mm jacks kinda puts me off. thinking about the new elektron octatrack mk2 and just load 808/909 samples into it, however 3x the price lol

I actually think a basic sampler with multiple physical outputs would do very well. I don't understand what's so difficult about it. Something like a new electribe, but unshit.

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Originally posted by Zak McKracken my mac days was over in 2012 around when jobs died I believe, I had enough with it balanced or not is one thing but L/R combined in a small plug is another imo. connecting ipods/PCs (and minidisc!) using minijack to RCAs on stereos have been a weak link since beginning of time for me, they wear quick and crackles and shit. I guess I just need to try it to get a feeling of its robustness. Thinks tend to be plastic these days. Elektrons seems of still quality, Im very happy with the machinedrum. edit: lol at that video, saw it. so cool, no words.

Good points. Tbh, my macs are all 2012 or earlier which is why i probably have a decent opinion of them.

As for the combined 3.5mm output, I'm not too worried; that's not you main audio output to record - you have the USB which is 10 outputs without DAC so you're reslly just using the 3.5mm output for monitoring, and give then original was unbalanced, it's not a huge deal. Crackle yes, simple becuase they're smaller and more susceptible to dirt and have less surface area for connection but in terms of audio quality there's really no difference.

I have this made up as 3.5mm Jack to 2 x 1/4" jacks:

http://www.vdctrading.com/shop/van-...blue-per-metre/

Honestly there's no difference using it and separate jacks.

I'm not sure how robust it's going to be, it's an 808 with USB for $350. Buy another one if it breaks after a couple of years.

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