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Paul Oakenfold - Rojam China ID list narrowed down to 130 possibles

This Track - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7GfiGT2m2Y

I have went through every trance and goa record in the year 1999 that I did not recognize.

I also then added every unknown artist or white label with no info in the trance and goa genres I did not recognise

This has brought me to this list of 130 - https://www.discogs.com/lists/Rojam-ID/367219

I would appreciate any help in eliminating any of the tracks on this list (including mixes and B sides).


I'm basing this list on a comment on youtube where someone who claimed to know the name of this track said they had found it on discogs and were waiting for a copy to appear to buy.

Re: Paul Oakenfold - Rojam China ID list narrowed down to 130 possibles

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Originally posted by the-sixth This Track - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7GfiGT2m2Y I have went through every trance and goa record in the year 1999 that I did not recognize.

Christ

Just let it go..

Darude - Fly

The funniest thing about obsessing over these ancient ID's is how the DJ's themselves never seem to give a shit. If I played something amazing I'd certainly keep my hands on it, or at least make a point to sift it out of the clutter years later. But no matter how much you fawn over how amazing a piece of music is in your love letter asking for an ID, you rarely get more of a response than 'dont remeber sry', if you even get one at all.

DJ's are some cold blooded muhfuggaz.

Let's say that they don't remember... do you really think that somebody like Oakenfold personally will go trough hundreds/thousands of white labels to find your "ID" ? Assuming that they still own that vinyls after almost 20 years ?

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Originally posted by vampirul_18 Let's say that they don't remember... do you really think that somebody like Oakenfold personally will go trough hundreds/thousands of white labels to find your "ID" ? Assuming that they still own that vinyls after almost 20 years ?

Of course not. And I'm not saying that.

I'm saying you get the impression that DJ's often don't really care one way or the other should they came across something that listeners, on the other hand, will go to great lengths in order to find (like by going through every goa track they don't recognize in the year of 1999). They're up to their elbows in new music each week, so I get why a lone white label from 1999 doesn't stand out as important to them, but it doesn't make the contrast any less amusing to me.

Sometimes it's even the artist. I remember trawling like mad to dig up a copy of a remix Andy Moor and Mick Park did of Garbage- Stupid Girl back in 2004. It was pressed to only a few copies and given out to a handful of DJ's (like to Oakenfold, from whom I ironically heard it). I got in touch with both of them, and Moor just kind of passively remarked he may have a copy hiding somewhere in storage, and Park just told me to check with Moor. There I was, thinking it was the greatest breaks record I ever heard that I refused to give up on finding, and meanwhile the guys who made the thing couldn't seem to care less that it was apparently lost for good.

And then sometimes it works the other way around. I once had an artist contact *me* through Soundcloud asking for a copy of a bootleg remix he did of Pete Lazonby's 'Sacred Cycles,' as he lost his original and all the project files, and saw that my mix was one of the only places to find it. I dragged my feet on getting back to him, but he was insistent as any other ID hunting fan on ensuring I got around to it.

So yeah, different records mean different things to different people, and their importance is obviously built around the other priorities they have in life.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost Of course not. And I'm not saying that. I'm saying you get the impression that DJ's often don't really care one way or the other should they came across something that listeners, on the other hand, will go to great lengths in order to find (like by going through every goa track they don't recognize in the year of 1999). They're up to their elbows in new music each week, so I get why a lone white label from 1999 doesn't stand out as important to them, but it doesn't make the contrast any less amusing to me. Sometimes it's even the artist. I remember trawling like mad to dig up a copy of a remix Andy Moor and Mick Park did of Garbage- Stupid Girl back in 2004. It was pressed to only a few copies and given out to a handful of DJ's (like to Oakenfold, from whom I ironically heard it). I got in touch with both of them, and Moor just kind of passively remarked he may have a copy hiding somewhere in storage, and Park just told me to check with Moor. There I was, thinking it was the greatest breaks record I ever heard that I refused to give up on finding, and meanwhile the guys who made the thing couldn't seem to care less that it was apparently lost for good. And then sometimes it works the other way around. I once had an artist contact *me* through Soundcloud asking for a copy of a bootleg remix he did of Pete Lazonby's 'Sacred Cycles,' as he lost his original and all the project files, and saw that my mix was one of the only places to find it. I dragged my feet on getting back to him, but he was insistent as any other ID hunting fan on ensuring I got around to it. So yeah, different records mean different things to different people, and their importance is obviously built around the other priorities they have in life.

I concur totally I personally can remember every groove of every vinyl I have but yeah it seems to me most people in the privileged position of getting these sent for free, often months ahead of anyone else just couldn't care less

Oh well

Down to 126 now

Can everyone please look at the list and if there are any names you recognize that you are certain are not the below ID please tell me so I can remove them.

LISt - https://www.discogs.com/lists/Rojam-ID/367219

The ID is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7GfiGT2m2Y

@the-sixth: have you tried to get a response from DragonsEmerald ?

http://avb.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...28#.Wfn7IGi0PIW

don't know if the guy was trolling or not back then, but it's worth a shot...

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Originally posted by vampirul_18 @the-sixth: have you tried to get a response from DragonsEmerald ? http://avb.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...28#.Wfn7IGi0PIW don't know if the guy was trolling or not back then, but it's worth a shot...

I think this might be the same guy who claimed it was actually on discogs but wouldn't give the name out so he could buy a copy if it ever became for sale.

This is the entire basis for compiling my list on discogs, I have narrowed it down from over 7000 vinyls to 126 left to check.

I just spent 20 euros on an untitled MFS white label so who knows if not then the list goes to 125.

How do you know this ever even made it to a record?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery How do you know this ever even made it to a record?

How else would Oaky have played it in '99? There has to be a few dubplates out there.

But I doubt a dubplate like this will actually find it's way on Discogs (as in, a copy for sale). All the copies in existence probably lie forgotten in a pile among thousands of other records. Real dubplates (ie. probably less than 10-20 copies) almost never end up for sale in discogs.

This is a tremendous amount of faith to show in a gobshite from the YouTube comments.

Pretty sure it's that 'Unknown Artist - Untitled' one on your list, actually.

What would be great is if people were able to remove tracks they know for sure are not it so I have less to buy.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J This is a tremendous amount of faith to show in a gobshite from the YouTube comments.

It is haha but it's already been worth it for me I have found several belting trance tunes I never heard back then at all and it's nice to have that old school thrill of the chase back hunting down a record.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery How do you know this ever even made it to a record?

I don't, it may well have been CD (UTM - Stream was only CD as far as I can tell and he played that in the same world tour).

I am basing this hunt on some comments made in this forum from the likes of DragonsEmerald, another guy in a youtube comment and some other in this forum who said it was an amateur german producer where 20 copies were made and it was an unmarked white label.

I will start whittling down CDs if these vinyls turn up empty.

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Originally posted by Lews Pretty sure it's that 'Unknown Artist - Untitled' one on your list, actually.

Thanks for confirming finally after 18 years it is solved

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Originally posted by the-sixth It is haha but it's already been worth it for me I have found several belting trance tunes I never heard back then at all and it's nice to have that old school thrill of the chase back hunting down a record.

I'm quite impressed there are only 130 trance and goa records from the entire year of 1999 that you don't recognise. Even if you don't find the track, you should make a mix out of the best tunes you discover from this exercise and call it "Searching For The Rojam".

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm quite impressed there are only 130 trance and goa records from the entire year of 1999 that you don't recognise. Even if you don't find the track, you should make a mix out of the best tunes you discover from this exercise and call it "Searching For The Rojam".

That's with some filters (vinyl only) and spending maybe 8 seconds on each youtube video if there was one available. I find 8 seconds about enough though if the riff catches me or the percs have a groove I bought it. I have been whittling this down for almost a year now.

This list I cannot find any youtube links, any juno samples, any mp3 rips or anything else on google that gives me a clip. So buying is the only option to confirm they are or are not the track.

The mix is a great idea I will definitely do that and dust off the technics for it.

I feel like you're eventually going to find it, but not share it with any of us because no one chipped in, and so the mystery is going to perpetuate.

By the way, I remember seeing a thread around ten years ago that said Kenneth Thomas had tasked himself with going through Oakey's entire collection in order to find it. Does anyone know what happened with that? Did we just find him under a collapsed stack of records?

The track is quite nice actually.

Did you try to match the songs on your list with some of those russian mp3 sources aside from youtube, juno, beatport etc.?

Would it not be quicker and cheaper to pay someone like Activa to re-produce it, release it, then wait for the original artist to make a copyright claim? Hey presto, you've got your ID.

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Originally posted by the-sixth This list I cannot find any youtube links, any juno samples, any mp3 rips or anything else on google that gives me a clip. So buying is the only option to confirm they are or are not the track.

For those tracks, what I suppose you could do is Facebook them via their real names as provided by Discogs and send them a link to the Rojam ID asking if it's their record. It's gonna be weird and maybe even a little creepy, but you've come this far, so you may as well just go all the way man.

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Originally posted by hoopoe Would it not be quicker and cheaper to pay someone like Activa to re-produce it, release it, then wait for the original artist to make a copyright claim? Hey presto, you've got your ID.

Oh that's genius. Let's hope Activa is willing to take a lawsuit for the team.

Could one make a copyright claim for an unreleased, and possibly unfinished, piece of music?

I dare say he was joking, old chap.

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost I feel like you're eventually going to find it, but not share it with any of us because no one chipped in, and so the mystery is going to perpetuate. By the way, I remember seeing a thread around ten years ago that said Kenneth Thomas had tasked himself with going through Oakey's entire collection in order to find it. Does anyone know what happened with that? Did we just find him under a collapsed stack of records?

Well funny enough I heard there is someone doing this again via the group on faceboook Oakenfolk as recently as today.

If I find it I will 100% give the name and Cat No if it is a blank white label. Ripping it im not sure, i would probably do a youtube video and if the artist finally sees it and wants it taken down I would then respect their wishes.

It is mindblowing really that no one involved with this track has came forward in all this time to claim it. Really quite something. Up there with the Jules Lush ID in the Bizarre stakes.

Your right though it is frustrating.

For example Pablo Gargano - Eve 31..... I find it hard to believe no one on tranceaddict has heard that before and can tell me so I can eliminate it from the list. Equally I never heard it lol

Maybe some dont think im serious or dont have the time to waste or just dont know.

Either way im down to 115 now, I have the time and money so im going to see it through.

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