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Who's bringing the hipster house?

I have to admit, the fedora has really started to grow on me, albeit about ten years too late. Still, I had been revisiting Ame's Fabric 42, and maybe I was just to focused on other music at the time to give it a proper listen, but...it's pretty good.

So how about it? Who's bringing the rooftop swaying, mustache twirling deep chunk? Are the usual offenders still at it, or has everyone moved on? Clovis, GTFIH.

Pretty sure Crosstown Rebels is still a thing, though I haven't checked on their output for a couple years now, so maybe they've moved onto, I dunno', 3:30am tech-haus?

My next listening project will be to go through the whole Fabric series. Aside from a couple of the drum 'n bass ones I've barely heard any. Should make for an interesting timeline of the changing winds of the last two decades of credible club music.

With that said, I just tried listening to this mix and couldn�t get more than 20 minutes in. Not so much boring as outright irritating. I�ve tried coming back to the music from this era many times from an older and broader musical base to see if it will ever click for me, and I�m pretty sure it never will. The era of 2005-10 is the Dark Ages of club music, as far as I�m concerned.

I have around 15.000 records on my Discogs wantlist, mostly dance music from all eras. I'm pretty sure around 2004-2008 are by far the lightest. In my eyes, 2009 and 2010 were already pretty good with lots of foundational and now-classic modern techno and post-dubstep records but you obviously still had a lot of junk bigroom techno and inane tech-haus. As much as I don't like the current standard sound of modern techno it's still leagues above the junk that came out in the peak-mnml era.

I think personally, 2001-2003 and then 2009-2011 were the best years for seminal Fabric mixes. The mixes in the last couple of years were mostly decent and on average, probably better then what came out in the 2000s but just not very memorable, which is probably down to the advent of online mixes and the total oversupply of music that is currently reigning.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J My next listening project will be to go through the whole Fabric series. Aside from a couple of the drum 'n bass ones I've barely heard any. Should make for an interesting timeline of the changing winds of the last two decades of credible club music.

Damn, that's an ambitious project. You should blog about it.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J With that said, I just tried listening to this mix and couldn�t get more than 20 minutes in. Not so much boring as outright irritating. I�ve tried coming back to the music from this era many times from an older and broader musical base to see if it will ever click for me, and I�m pretty sure it never will. The era of 2005-10 is the Dark Ages of club music, as far as I�m concerned.

Wait a sec, 2007-2009 was the golden age of McProg and 8th note house. It may not be vintage 95 epic house or 98 trance, but I sure had a metric fuckton of fun to that music at the time. Might have been shit in the Uk but it was a second summer of love here in the USA as far as I'm concerned.

Crosstown rebels, hot nature, wolf + lamb, innervision

They All had a good run...


I still check for their releases but they aren't like shifting the scène anymore

Cant go wrong with get physical either


And there is some 8th note mcprog that i really like from 2018..or sounds refreshing again because Its been so long ...

Check out alpha 9-azzura To hear what im talking about

Idk what the fuck you guys are talking about

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Wait a sec, 2007-2009 was the golden age of McProg and 8th note house. It may not be vintage 95 epic house or 98 trance, but I sure had a metric fuckton of fun to that music at the time. Might have been shit in the Uk but it was a second summer of love here in the USA as far as I'm concerned.

Are you being serious?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Are you being serious?

Semi serious, in that I know in hindsight to take McProg etc with a pinch of salt, but I'm not going to sit here and say there wasn't some seriously fucking great music (regardless of how it's dated / at least for the time) etc being pumped out between 2007 - 2009.

Jaytech, Proff, Dinka, Chris Reece Jerome Isma-Ae, Claude Von Stroke, and obviously not forgetting Joel (to his mates) output really ramped up.

Again, I can't comment about Europe as it was right when I moved to the states, but dance music exploded and hearing that progressive bouncy prog, actually in a club was was a fuckton of fun. I can't really take anyone seriously who says it was the dark ages.

In my mind the dark ages were basically 2001 to about 2006 - all the big clubs in the UK shuttered around then with exception to say Fabric and a couple of others, you had some of the most boring prog ever being churned out, only to be complemented with minimal which get ever more, er, minimal and both scenes pretty much died a quick and barren death.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN I can't really take anyone seriously who says it was the dark ages.

If you file Deadmau5 and Jaytech under "seriously fucking great music" I'm not entirely surprised we don't agree with each other.

Although in the interests of not airbrushing history, I will say that I did see Jaytech DJ around that time, I had a copy of his album and I even used a couple of tracks of his in my sets. So I know the sound you're talking about. There was a night in Manchester around that time that specialised in that early Anjunadeep sound and I went a few times. It was very much a 'placeholder' sound in history. I remember enjoying it but thinking to myself "This is right on the border of lightweight cheese" in places.

Anyway, all of this is about a thousand light years from what Ame was playing on that Fabric mix, and none of it is helping poor Paradox Lost in the slightest.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If you file Deadmau5 and Jaytech under "seriously fucking great music" I'm not entirely surprised we don't agree with each other.

Tbh, it's just rich, fairly cheesey gluttonous pleasure, but then again much of Trance was that anyway.

I loved (and still do to be honest) a lot of the Jaytech, Proff, Dinka. Reece (although i'm still not sure the last two along with several other names are not the same person) stuff from around that time. It wasn't high art and I'll agree somewhat a placeholder, but at least it was well produced and fairly jacking, especially on a decent system. Somewhat silly or frivolous but then so is a lot of dance music that's actually fun.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Although in the interests of not airbrushing history, I will say that I did see Jaytech DJ around that time, I had a copy of his album and I even used a couple of tracks of his in my sets. So I know the sound you're talking about. There was a night in Manchester around that time that specialised in that early Anjunadeep sound and I went a few times. It was very much a 'placeholder' sound in history. I remember enjoying it but thinking to myself "This is right on the border of lightweight cheese" in places.

yeah, that's exactly what i'm getting at - the Anjuna Deep / Anjuna Beats sound, and I think you're actually being polite by saying some of it was "lightweight cheese", but it was still pretty enjoyable. I loved the fact it was usually quite driving and methodical in arrangement, and from a mixing perspective, it was a total joy to dj that stuff.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Anyway, all of this is about a thousand light years from what Ame was playing on that Fabric mix, and none of it is helping poor Paradox Lost in the slightest.

Lol, true that. Soz paradox lost, you're on your own

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Tbh, it's just rich, fairly cheesey gluttonous pleasure, but then again much of Trance was that anyway. I loved (and still do to be honest) a lot of the Jaytech, Proff, Dinka. Reece (although i'm still not sure the last two along with several other names are not the same person) stuff from around that time. It wasn't high art and I'll agree somewhat a placeholder, but at least it was well produced and fairly jacking, especially on a decent system. Somewhat silly or frivolous but then so is a lot of dance music that's actually fun. yeah, that's exactly what i'm getting at - the Anjuna Deep / Anjuna Beats sound, and I think you're actually being polite by saying some of it was "lightweight cheese", but it was still pretty enjoyable. I loved the fact it was usually quite driving and methodical in arrangement, and from a mixing perspective, it was a total joy to dj that stuff. Lol, true that. Soz paradox lost, you're on your own

I really enjoyed early anjuna and really enjoy deep�s sounds these days. Bring on the melodies.

Re: Who's bringing the hipster house?

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Originally posted by Paradox Lost I have to admit, the fedora has really started to grow on me, albeit about ten years too late.

Pretty much - they've all moved on from that sound. If you want to find where all of the hipsters went, you need to look in the direction of Romania.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J My next listening project will be to go through the whole Fabric series. Aside from a couple of the drum 'n bass ones I've barely heard any. Should make for an interesting timeline of the changing winds of the last two decades of credible club music.

I bought my first physical CD in a while, Fabric 99, and am currently in the middle of a GU listening project (got all the main city series one done, just finished Lights Out, gonna start the Prototype, and will move on to AM:PM, GU: DJ and Nubreed after the holidays).

The 2006-2008 period was pretty dark for me, when the real plink plonk minimal started taking over blocking out everything in its path. But listening to Lights Out 3 recently I was reminded how I liked the halcyon days of electro house, and how 2005 was an interesting transitional year - the early electro sounds coexisting with the dark prog and tribal of 2001-2004, progressive breaks still kicking ass, Sasha's epic Maida Vale set, the dark bass-heavy 2-step sounds of El-B and Zed Bias started morphing into the earliest dubstep, also a move to more digital forms of production and DJing (Ableton) seemed to coincide with the rise in these new genres.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Anyway, all of this is about a thousand light years from what Ame was playing on that Fabric mix, and none of it is helping poor Paradox Lost in the slightest.

This is still more helpful than a Ted Promo contribution, so I'll still take it. I figured I'd eventually wind up throwing darts at the Fabric board anyway.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J With that said, I just tried listening to this mix and couldn�t get more than 20 minutes in. Not so much boring as outright irritating. I�ve tried coming back to the music from this era many times from an older and broader musical base to see if it will ever click for me, and I�m pretty sure it never will. The era of 2005-10 is the Dark Ages of club music, as far as I�m concerned.

Definitely not boring, but it feels akin to being introduced to an obnoxious friend of a friend, making you wonder why they're even friends in the first place. And yet, I'm admittedly charmed by a lot of it, but maybe more in terms of attitude rather than composition.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Wait a sec, 2007-2009 was the golden age of McProg and 8th note house. It may not be vintage 95 epic house or 98 trance, but I sure had a metric fuckton of fun to that music at the time. Might have been shit in the Uk but it was a second summer of love here in the USA as far as I'm concerned.

I was listening to trance pretty consistently up until around the end of 2007, and both my memory and my collection serve to indicate that this wasn't the case. It definitely existed in some kind of trace form toward the end of the decade, and the question of whether any of it was any good is a different one (which sounds like where you're coming from), but as far as I recall, McProg was well into its twinkly twilight by then.

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Originally posted by idoru Pretty much - they've all moved on from that sound. If you want to find where all of the hipsters went, you need to look in the direction of Romania.

Huh? Tell me more, please...

I'm pretty sure RANN was referring to the early Ajunadeep electro-prog thing that was around at that time, rather than the side-chained twinkle we usually refer to as McProg.

I'm also pretty sure the Romania comment refers to all the Romanian producers/DJs staging their own miniature minimal revival: Raresh, Praslea, Rhadoo, Petre Inspirescu and co. Cue the comments about how it's not really minimal, and minimal is an artistic approach not a genre, ad nauseum. Man, I don't miss 2008 at all.

Lol

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I'm also pretty sure the Romania comment refers to all the Romanian producers/DJs staging their own miniature minimal revival: Raresh, Praslea, Rhadoo, Petre Inspirescu and co. Cue the comments about how it's not really minimal, and minimal is an artistic approach not a genre, ad nauseum. Man, I don't miss 2008 at all.

Hit the nail on the head here. There's definitely some great gems to be found within all of that, though. I can't do whole marathon weekends of that sound like the Romanians are wont to do, but shorter sets can be great. I also think that the productions from the artists you mentioned are lackluster compared to their DJ sets. I'm bored beyond tears by Raresh and Petre's music, but their sets have kept me locked on the dancefloor longer than most other DJs I've seen lately.

Paradox, other noteworthy names would be Barac & Cap (mostly for their DJ sets and their style of mixing - Cap doesn't produce and I've only bought a couple of Barac's tracks to use as tools), Ion Ludwig, Cristi Cons, SIT, Vlad Caia, Crihan, Mihigh, Mihai Pol, Mihai Popoviciu, Diferit, Cosmjn, Nu Zau, Dubtil, Lamache and so on. Shout-outs to record distributors/labels like Yoyaku out of Paris who have been closely tied to the Romanians. As you'd expect with the minimal connotations, the Perlon crew is pretty enmeshed in that scene as well. Same with folk like Afriqua, Junes, Funk E, Roger Gerressen, DeWalta, Mike Shannon, Audio Werner, Topper, Binh, Junki Inoue (amazing DJ out of London), et. al..

speaking of romania

You know who's an underrated DJ? Vincent Lemieux.

Never heard of him , I'll have to do some research

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