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Posted by Durafei on Nov-11-2002 20:41:

So, who is satisfied by their university/college education?

With most of here on the board studying at universities/colleges, I'm just wondering what do you guys think of your program?

Are you satisfied with that you studying? Is it what you hoped for when you got into university/college?

I'm studying Comp. Science at the University of Waterloo. Up to couple of years ago and probably still, it was considered to be the best comp. science program in Canada. Lately, however, Waterloo started accepting way to many people, and as a result quality of courses have deteriorated. Courses have become much easier than before, which will eventually result in reputation of the school falling. I like my program, but I hate how a lot of people in the program get away with getting a degree doing virtually nothing(for instance the hardest and most essential part of the program is doing various projects in CS; however as it turns out
you don't even have to do them(they are only worth like 25-40% of the course) in order to pass the course). I don't really care how other people get their degrees, but where is my motivation to study, when you don't really have to in order to obtain the degree?


Posted by DJ_Lord on Nov-11-2002 20:44:

No!


Posted by StereoPrincess on Nov-11-2002 21:39:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Lord
No!


Why oh why, DJ_Lord??

Me, I'm very happy with what I did in Ottawa and what I'm doing now in Toronto. I actually loved my 4 years at Carleton. It was a great school and great program. My program allowed me to take many different courses and choose my future direction. Now, I'm doing my Masters here at U of T and that is also very satisfying. You get to explore your own interests and directions. If you don't want to leave school I highly recommend going for your Masters and PhD.
As for the school U of T is kind of shitty. Everyone seems distant and there is no real feeling of community like there was at Carleton. Maybe I was just brainwashed during Frosh week but I'm a die hard Carleton supporter.


Posted by dEsidEL on Nov-11-2002 22:57:

KarateKid

IT Management @ Ryerson .. 3rd year.

so far it's not worth the time and money .. i haven't learned anything that i'm confident to take with me into the workforce. too many courses are riddled with bullshit. about 25% of the classes are actually applied. i know... someone is gonna suggest the whole 'college' thing. but there's nothing wrong with theory.. i just wish it was useful theory.


Posted by Alccode on Nov-12-2002 02:03:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
As for the school U of T is kind of shitty. Everyone seems distant and there is no real feeling of community like there was at Carleton. Maybe I was just brainwashed during Frosh week but I'm a die hard Carleton supporter.


No, your observation is accurate, for the most part. I guess part of the blame is due to the fact that U of T is just so big.


Posted by E*Master on Nov-12-2002 23:01:

NEtwork and Computer Tech. @ Slumber Humber.

No for 2 reasons.

1. we have a lot of teachers who are old and are really bitter for some reason. Like when I took Java, I had this teacher she was like 80 and she looked as if she got off on students failing. There are plenty of teachers in my school who look like they have a lot of problems and they let it out inside the classroom.

2. I am not satisfied with my ediucation I recieved in Canada AT ALL! Why? Because in my contry Iwould have gradiated 2 years ago with 1 year of Co-op. I learned nothing in Highschool except for that most teachers don't care, that the attendance lady was a perv, and that guidance councelours did not give one shit.

College, I pay a lot of money for overcrowded labs with other ppl inside who at any chance that u might look like u have to get something out of your bag they right away ask "uhm are you done?", lol. So far I have only learned something that has to do with my studies in one class: Computer HArdware. The other class I loved was Humanities. Other than that I have learned nothing.


No offence to u canadian TAs. It's not your fault I hate the education system here. I just feel like I am being taught to be stupid so I don't open my mouth and stand up. Especially if youa re an immigrant.


Posted by TheDemon on Nov-12-2002 23:07:

Humber is a great place. Its considered a university/college institute because of its prestige. Actually its getting BA degrees and now the that the Guelph add-on is coming its getting better. Is my money's worth being at Humber? hell yeah! No point in going to a college if you can't be challenged. I highly reccomend them. For University of course its the UofT. The Demon has Spoke.


Posted by JHN416 on Nov-13-2002 04:40:

8.5/10

Industrial Engineering @ Rye

I'm satisfied with the quality of the program but not with Ryerson in general.

They really squeeze every last penny out of you (including raising tuition fees for the last 3 years) and nothing has improved. The computer labs, the halls, the cafeteria, and the library are a lot more congested this year...I feel really sorry for all those 17 year olds next year.


Posted by mot10n on Nov-13-2002 05:50:

2nd year comp sci @ laurier.

didn't get into waterloo cuz my marks sucked so far, school has sucked assmar. classes are bullshit, only one prof is actually a good teacher, most others have english as a 2nd or 3rd language, and they are really bad at speaking it, so even though they know their shit, it can't be passed on to us correctly. plus the staff association was on strike for 2 months, meaning no labs, tutorials, services such as dropping and adding classes, tuition inquiries, all that shit was unavailable. fucking lame. i just wanna get a degree and get out of this uni and out of this town.

ironicly, the only course that i really enjoyed was japanese at waterloo through cross-registeration. 1 semester of japanese and i know 10 times as much than 6 years of french can give me. go figure.


Posted by rahvin on Nov-13-2002 06:28:

3rd year at Seneca for Computer Systems Technology

This course rocks, hands down. They teach you tons and tons of very valuable skills in many different areas of computers. I like every one of my teachers and they are ALL very helpfull. Of course, I go to the don mills campus where there is about 1000 students in a building that's smaller then my highschool


Posted by Porky on Nov-13-2002 07:52:

MIS grad school at Northwestern

hey durafei...

you're going to have those kinds of kids in all programs. but i never regretted doing my undergrad at UWO (Western).

your degree is important. w/o my undergrad, i would not have been able to
1. work in the USA (you need a degree to get your TN1 Visa)
2. get into grad school (currently studying MIS at northwestern)

your future may be hazy and your motivation a bit low, but when you graduate and get your degree it'll be all worth it!

Pork


Posted by malek on Nov-13-2002 08:12:

Re: So, who is satisfied by their university/college education?

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
With most of here on the board studying at universities/colleges, I'm just wondering what do you guys think of your program?

Are you satisfied with that you studying? Is it what you hoped for when you got into university/college?

I'm studying Comp. Science at the University of Waterloo. Up to couple of years ago and probably still, it was considered to be the best comp. science program in Canada. Lately, however, Waterloo started accepting way to many people, and as a result quality of courses have deteriorated. Courses have become much easier than before, which will eventually result in reputation of the school falling. I like my program, but I hate how a lot of people in the program get away with getting a degree doing virtually nothing(for instance the hardest and most essential part of the program is doing various projects in CS; however as it turns out
you don't even have to do them(they are only worth like 25-40% of the course) in order to pass the course). I don't really care how other people get their degrees, but where is my motivation to study, when you don't really have to in order to obtain the degree?


i'm with you with that one, universities seem to have opened wiiiiide their doors accepting any jackass!! i'm at uqam doing computer science and our computer department is the largest one in canada (number of students) and there's so many sorry asses there man and how the hell do you want all these people to find jobs??? myself i'm getting my degree in decembre and the market is completly dead/overcroded I'm so fucking disapointed you can't imagine. I'm a computer freak who loves what i study and shit... but i won't find a job anywtime soon because of the idiots who decided to transform universities into diploma factories.

as for the quality of education, lets just say its about which teacher you take a class with: some teachers are pure geniuses but others (majority because of the huge number of students) are fucking idiots and don't deserve to be in university! on paper, the program here is amazing, but in reality teachers never have the time to complete and as for the project counting for 30-40% i think its fine cause it used to be more like 80-100% and people copied each other and it was all meaningless... a computer class needs written exams to cover some theories.


Posted by skaborough fats on Nov-13-2002 10:22:

Hardly...

I'm satisfyed in that I graduated and now have the little piece of paper that employers are looking for. But I am disappointed with the ammount that I learned.

I went to Uni first, just a semester and a bit, so I have only a first year experience. There I just found everything really basic, but as I said I just have 1st year experience.

At college... maybe 5 out of 20 classes were worth the time. I knew most of the stuff already, because it was basic stuff. The more advanced stuff, the stuff we should have been focusing on, we just glossed over. Where's the fun in that?

But, I do have that little piece of paper... so I got what I needed. I cen get the information on my own if I need it. It would have been nice to get full value for my couple of grand, instead of cranky teachers who like mini power trips...

Cheers,
Fats


Posted by mariachickita on Nov-13-2002 12:21:

Read This!

im at U of Waterloo and studying Enviromental Science...
anyhow I find the science program is alright..... what pisses me off is when 4 different people mark your stuff, especially when its four different TAs (teaching assistant that is,) and they give out different marks because they don't mark the same. so you end up getting a shitty mark because you got the shit TA and your friend gets a wicked mark (even thought you pretty much did your lab together) because they got the easy TA. I guess its the same everywhere but Profs are paid $$$ to teach the crap, and they are the ones who know it best, so they should mark your damn assignments.....

Other than that, our school has promiced shit like a new gym and stuff..... i dont see a new gym? i pay $$ to work out somewhere else because there is only 6 cardio machines for 20,000 students and we finally got our new co-op building where we all had to pay and extra fee for, and i havent even got to use it yet

and illya is right, there are too many little fockers running around campus that are cheating their way through engineering or comp sci, - that isnt right....

k im done now, well sort of


Posted by NightCreature on Nov-13-2002 15:18:

Re: So, who is satisfied by their university/college education?

quote:
Originally posted by Durafei
With most of here on the board studying at universities/colleges, I'm just wondering what do you guys think of your program?

Are you satisfied with that you studying? Is it what you hoped for when you got into university/college?

I'm studying Comp. Science at the University of Waterloo. Up to couple of years ago and probably still, it was considered to be the best comp. science program in Canada. Lately, however, Waterloo started accepting way to many people, and as a result quality of courses have deteriorated. Courses have become much easier than before, which will eventually result in reputation of the school falling. I like my program, but I hate how a lot of people in the program get away with getting a degree doing virtually nothing(for instance the hardest and most essential part of the program is doing various projects in CS; however as it turns out
you don't even have to do them(they are only worth like 25-40% of the course) in order to pass the course). I don't really care how other people get their degrees, but where is my motivation to study, when you don't really have to in order to obtain the degree?


I'm very very happy with the comp sci program at UoW. How can you say that they are making the courses easier? It's absolutely not true! On the contrary they are making the program much harder, because there is just way too much competition! The plus side to the comp sci program at UW is that there is co-op! I wouldn�t be able to pay off my education without this marvel .


Posted by Durafei on Nov-13-2002 15:49:

Re: Re: So, who is satisfied by their university/college education?

quote:
Originally posted by NightCreature
I'm very very happy with the comp sci program at UoW. How can you say that they are making the courses easier? It's absolutely not true! On the contrary they are making the program much harder, because there is just way too much competition! The plus side to the comp sci program at UW is that there is co-op! I wouldn�t be able to pay off my education without this marvel .


I don't want to bore anyone with details about UW, but I just have to give an example of how CS at Waterloo just got easier.
Nightcreature, consider CS 251 that I took(before it got changed) and the one that you took. Yours was at least twice as easy And I also heard rumours that they want to combine CS 342(concurrency) and CS 354(Operating Systems) into one course.


Posted by dEsidEL on Nov-13-2002 17:05:

KarateKid Re: MIS grad school at Northwestern

quote:
Originally posted by Porky
hey durafei...

you're going to have those kinds of kids in all programs. but i never regretted doing my undergrad at UWO (Western).

your degree is important. w/o my undergrad, i would not have been able to
1. work in the USA (you need a degree to get your TN1 Visa)
2. get into grad school (currently studying MIS at northwestern)

your future may be hazy and your motivation a bit low, but when you graduate and get your degree it'll be all worth it!

Pork


i agree .. my brother did the exact same thing. got his TN1 Visa after getting a degree in Electrical Engineering in TO, and now he's working down south ..

US Customs would have given him a VERY hard time if he didn't have a degree which is one of those reasons why sometimes goin to Uni is better than college .. i think it's easier to apply for work abroad.


Posted by AAzn_ScratcH on Nov-13-2002 23:53:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Why oh why, DJ_Lord??

Me, I'm very happy with what I did in Ottawa and what I'm doing now in Toronto. I actually loved my 4 years at Carleton. It was a great school and great program. My program allowed me to take many different courses and choose my future direction. Now, I'm doing my Masters here at U of T and that is also very satisfying. You get to explore your own interests and directions. If you don't want to leave school I highly recommend going for your Masters and PhD.
As for the school U of T is kind of shitty. Everyone seems distant and there is no real feeling of community like there was at Carleton. Maybe I was just brainwashed during Frosh week but I'm a die hard Carleton supporter.


what did you major in carlton?
i'm going there next year to get my B.A. (architecture)

was it hard to get in?
what did you get in with?


Posted by bluE_Neon on Nov-14-2002 01:55:

im taking computer programmer course with optional co-op at Seneca @ York Uni. the course is very interesting & fun, expect the fact that there just isn't enough time to cover everything. you can you cover the whole C language i just 3.5 months?? with people who aren't genius's its kinda hard and so it takes a longer time to understand. other than that, the teachers are fine here, expect my unix teacher, she puts the majority of the class literally to sleep
so far i find my money's worth but this course wont really guarantee me a job noadays with somekind of degree...


Posted by Dr. Z on Nov-14-2002 02:59:

Durafei
I am not sure, but you are probably right, about the changes of course difficulties in computer science. But I dont think its the same for the whole University.

Like
When you look the mark requirements for engineering over the past years, they are getting higher and higher. Science as well. I know last year, to get into science you needed a low 80% average, but this year it was mid-80s. Ummm... why would they get more students into certain programs? who knows? maybe they just want more students... for more $$...

I'm only first year Physics at Waterloo, so I can't say how much/little satisfied I am with the program. But what I do know is that, what we are learning is very interesting, and what we will be learning will be even more interesting.




Random comment: If the people of the whole world walked in unicent to the [East], we would actually slow down the rotational velocity of the earth along its axis because of the torque that is provided by our feet on the ground.
So what would that do? Well, we could stop the earth from rotating and have a 6 month day and a 6 month night.


Posted by dEsidEL on Nov-14-2002 03:09:

KarateKid

quote:
Originally posted by Dr. Z

Like
When you look the mark requirements for engineering over the past years, they are getting higher and higher. Science as well. I know last year, to get into science you needed a low 80% average, but this year it was mid-80s. Ummm... why would they get more students into certain programs? who knows? maybe they just want more students... for more $$...

Random comment: If the people of the whole world walked in unicent to the [East], we would actually slow down the rotational velocity of the earth along its axis because of the torque that is provided by our feet on the ground.
So what would that do? Well, we could stop the earth from rotating and have a 6 month day and a 6 month night.


it could be higher this year cuz of the double co-hort making fewer spaces in each program for acceptance..

and i love ur halt the Earth idea ! man one day someone has gotta campaign for that .. jokez !!


Posted by Dr. Z on Nov-14-2002 03:17:

Desidel

quote:
Originally posted by dEsidEL
it could be higher this year cuz of the double co-hort making fewer spaces in each program for acceptance..

and i love ur halt the Earth idea ! man one day someone has gotta campaign for that .. jokez !!

^
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| Agreed for both


Posted by erikwh on Nov-14-2002 04:01:

...at U of T in engineering science. It is too much work for even the keenest of students, and tends to suck all the life out of oneself. U of T is too big to be considered a school. StereoPrincess I agree with you; there is not really any community feel here. Apart from the people I see every day in every class, I never randomly meet the same person more than once. It sounds like everyone here has bums copying assignments like mad. I get a laugh when two -identical- assignments get totally different marks, even when marked by the same TA!


Posted by DJ_Lord on Nov-14-2002 04:59:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
Why oh why, DJ_Lord??

Me, I'm very happy with what I did in Ottawa and what I'm doing now in Toronto. I actually loved my 4 years at Carleton. It was a great school and great program. My program allowed me to take many different courses and choose my future direction. Now, I'm doing my Masters here at U of T and that is also very satisfying. You get to explore your own interests and directions. If you don't want to leave school I highly recommend going for your Masters and PhD.
As for the school U of T is kind of shitty. Everyone seems distant and there is no real feeling of community like there was at Carleton. Maybe I was just brainwashed during Frosh week but I'm a die hard Carleton supporter.


cuz it sucks, its an all boys school, now u might ask urself, wtf is he doin in a all boys school? simple. MY FATHER! so yeah i aint havin a good time! on top of that i HAVE to take religious courses which i dont find interesting at all! so now u see..


Posted by TheNeonAlien on Nov-14-2002 15:23:

Holy SHIT does anyone go to York?! I HATE THIS SCHOOL boring as ass. But i thank the lord i didnt go to U of T. BLAHHHHHHHH.Dont like my program. ITEC/Econ. BLAHHHHHH. i think i look at numbers more then letters these days.

TYM2FLY

Peace
TheNeonAlien


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