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Posted by oDrori on Nov-18-2002 20:53:

House/ Uplifting/ Whut?!

OK, so this thread focuses on 2 questions I've been pondering the last few days, connected at each other:

1) What is 'Uplifting House'
2) Some people say Club Trance is in fact a sub genre of House... anyone care to explain?

Posted by Vortex_SA on Nov-18-2002 21:05:

Re: House/ Uplifting/ Whut?!

quote:
Originally posted by oDrori
OK, so this thread focuses on 2 questions I've been pondering the last few days, connected at each other:

1) What is 'Uplifting House'
2) Some people say Club Trance is in fact a sub genre of House... anyone care to explain?

uplifting house = uplifting trance
the trance that we know 2day is actually evolved from melodic house...

as many will say to ya, the real "trance" is psy trance, but that doesnt matter if ur not dealing in psy trance...
anyway i dont think that the "trance" ur hearing today is trance at all, its house music, but thats comes from a point of view of a person that was raised by psy trance, its just a matter of ur POV (Point Of View)...

Posted by oDrori on Nov-18-2002 21:06:

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quote:
Originally posted by Vortex_SA
uplifting house = uplifting trance
the trance that we know 2day is actually evolved from melodic house...

as many will say to ya, the real "trance" is psy trance, but that doesnt matter if ur not dealing in psy trance...
anyway i dont think that the "trance" ur hearing today is trance at all, its house music, but thats comes from a point of view of a person that was raised by psy trance, its just a matter of ur POV (Point Of View)...

The way I was tought, 'House' and 'Melodic' don't really fit toghether...

Posted by Vortex_SA on Nov-18-2002 21:14:

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quote:
Originally posted by oDrori
The way I was tought, 'House' and 'Melodic' don't really fit toghether...

lol, thats what everybody say, but thats not true, ever heard jazz-house?
maybe techno is not melodic, but not house... u all remember the sinple "spaceman" of "baby lone", its an old record from 96, in that time the trance u know today didnt existed yet, now listen to the "space dream mix", and tell me if thats not melodic, i know this cos i collected alot of old electronic records over the time, and u can listen to the, and u see what house was like before 10 yrs, and it was all melodic, in that time there was no deep house, only progressive house, and that was barely... so now u see what i mean???

Posted by oDrori on Nov-18-2002 21:17:

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quote:
Originally posted by Vortex_SA
lol, thats what everybody say, but thats not true, ever heard jazz-house?
maybe techno is not melodic, but not house... u all remember the sinple "spaceman" of "baby lone", its an old record from 96, in that time the trance u know today didnt existed yet, now listen to the "space dream mix", and tell me if thats not melodic, i know this cos i collected alot of old electronic records over the time, and u can listen to the, and u see what house was like before 10 yrs, and it was all melodic, in that time there was no deep house, only progressive house, and that was barely... so now u see what i mean???

Don't really consider that one house... But you and I can go on forever bout this, I wanted to see what the rest of the guyz round here think

Posted by Vortex_SA on Nov-18-2002 21:20:

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quote:
Originally posted by oDrori
Don't really consider that one house... But you and I can go on forever bout this, I wanted to see what the rest of the guyz round here think

ok, but i disagree with u on that that it not house, cos on the other side of that vynil it says "rock house mix" and its melodic, but suit urself

Posted by DJ-Ande on Nov-18-2002 22:02:

melodic house, i would think are tunes lime '29 palms - touch the sky'

a house bass line & trance/melodic sounds

Posted by Vortex_SA on Nov-18-2002 22:16:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Ande
melodic house, i would think are tunes lime '29 palms - touch the sky'

a house bass line & trance/melodic sounds

in he original trance there was no melodies at all, it was a game of FX and beats, but it really depands on the POV, i think that this tune is deep house...

Posted by Vortex_SA on Nov-18-2002 22:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Vortex_SA
in he original trance there was no melodies at all, it was a game of FX and beats, but it really depands on the POV, i think that this tune is deep house...

meant to the palms 29 - invading privatly... not the one u wrote, which i dont remember

Posted by basd on Nov-18-2002 22:36:

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quote:
Originally posted by Vortex_SA
maybe techno is not melodic

there are enough techno tracks that are melodic as hell

Posted by timmyboy2 on Nov-19-2002 00:56:

The term "house" has changed over the years but I'm from Chicago and I can say when I was in 6th grade we used to breakdance to mixes from BMX that were recorded at The Warehouse. (a club in Chicago)
Also the first "house" songs were basically disco songs with a backbeat. I think Frankie Knuckles used to take old disco songs and early Depeche Mode songs and add a backbeat with a Roland drum machine. so in a way disco evolved into house which evolved into trance. Even though I HATE happy house!!!!

Posted by xtr3m on Nov-19-2002 01:05:

Nice thread...

Personally, lately I've been having hard times trying to consider club trance (like the stuff from AvB and Tiesto) as a trance at all -- heck, sometimes it even seems to me a little bit cheesy!

Oh, and Vortex_SA:

It's Mach 747 - Invading Privately (29 Palms Remix) to be more precise.

Continue the discussion, please!

Posted by escee on Nov-19-2002 01:14:

I think as dance music moves forward genres blend into other genres and artists listen to a lot of different genres. They might think a bass line from a trance track is good, a synth from a techno track, and vocals from a house track. I think people need to stop classifying the music they listen to as Uplifting Trance House or whatever they want to call it, and replace all genres with only 2.

Good Music
or
Bad Music

Posted by Vortex_SA on Nov-19-2002 20:57:

quote:
Originally posted by xtr3m
Nice thread...

Personally, lately I've been having hard times trying to consider club trance (like the stuff from AvB and Tiesto) as a trance at all -- heck, sometimes it even seems to me a little bit cheesy!

Oh, and Vortex_SA:

It's Mach 747 - Invading Privately (29 Palms Remix) to be more precise.

Continue the discussion, please!

lol, mistakes happen

Posted by Parafox on Nov-19-2002 21:17:

quote:
Originally posted by escee
I think as dance music moves forward genres blend into other genres and artists listen to a lot of different genres. They might think a bass line from a trance track is good, a synth from a techno track, and vocals from a house track. I think people need to stop classifying the music they listen to as Uplifting Trance House or whatever they want to call it, and replace all genres with only 2.

Good Music
or
Bad Music

you are so right. That is exactly the thing I'm doing at the moment, there are 2 folders for my singles:

( 01 ) -= ELECTRONiCA =- --( Favorite Producers -=- Singles )--
( 02 ) -= ELECTRONiCA =- --( No Favorites -=- Singles )--

I keep the "bad" tracks for sharing, because tastes are different.

Posted by TheFeeling on Nov-19-2002 21:26:

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Originally posted by timmyboy2 Even though I HATE happy house!!!!

What are you refering to there?
tunes like:
Thomas Bangalter & Dj Falcon - So Much Love To Give
Tim_Deluxe feat. Sam_Obernik - It Just Won't Do (Club Mix)
Narcotic Thrust - Safe From Harm (Main Club Mix)

or...?

I'm just curious