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Brainstorming: What do you want in a club night?

Alright TA's, finally a thread where im not advertising myself (ignore my signature )

So we've all been reading how well everyone can complain about what was wrong with whatever event they attended, what sucked about it, yadda yadda yadda

Well now is your chance to say what YOU want when you go out to a an event, whether it be a clubnight, rave, one-off night at a club, etc. etc.

What would make you, the Toronto TA's, come out and support a trance event in the city?

Is it the venue? Sound? Lighting? General atmosphere? Price? Big Name DJs? 19+/all-ages? Cheap Drinks? Crowd? Women/men? Hype around an event/club? Because your friends are going?...or anything else ive missed

What suggestions do you have in an attempt to revive the dying trance scene in toronto?

And im not looking for the whole bullshitting, wishful thinking type of answers that result in the one thing being said, but another action being made. Answer truthfully. So if an all local night couldn't bring you away from say the guv (for example, or whatever your usual night is) then say so truthfully.

The only way something like this could work is if people are truthful and follow through with support if they say they will, otherwise it results in flopped events.

Re: Brainstorming: What do you want in a club night?

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Originally posted by Kid Lax What suggestions do you have in an attempt to revive the dying trance scene in toronto?

Alright let's see,

In the period of a month (give or take) Toronto has seen....
- Picotto
- Sasha
- Digweed
- Guy Ornadel
- Tall 2XLC
- Tiesto
- Hawtin and Sven Vath

Anybody else think the trance scene in Toronto is dying?

Nope!
Trance is not dying.

It's just that Techno is getting stronger
and well... Jungle is stagnating. Wait! it's been stagnant for 4 years.

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- Picotto - Hawtin and Sven Vath

these are Techno DJ's


Better say in the last 2 months or so, we've had:

BINARY FINARY
TRANSA
LAB 4
LOU CYPHER PROJECT

okay well maybe dying was the wrong word

regardless this isn't what this thread is about

this is about expressing your opinions and your ideas regarding what it would take to gain your support

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Originally posted by Kid Lax this is about expressing your opinions and your ideas regarding what it would take to gain your support

- Picotto
- Sasha
- Digweed
- Guy Ornadel
- Tall 2XLC
- Tiesto
- Hawtin and Sven Vath

(any of those guys would do fine)

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Originally posted by Rev. Paroxyzm BINARY FINARY TRANSA LAB 4 LOU CYPHER PROJECT

we'll take these events for example

binary finary & transa both pretty much bombed
why?

what was so unappealing about either event?

lab 4 & lou cypher project were both at nightmare (i think), and i believe it did really well. why? well i think it was just because it was a nightmare party and it has a lot of supporters, regardless of the dj's.

so what could've either the transa or binary finary party have done to make their night better?
for those of you who didn't go...why didn't you go? what could've made you attend?

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Originally posted by halo20 - Picotto - Sasha - Digweed - Guy Ornadel - Tall 2XLC - Tiesto - Hawtin and Sven Vath (any of those guys would do fine)

so you're saying for you its all about the big name djs?
that's perfectly understandable and pretty logical

would a night of local talent spinning the same tracks as these djs gain your support?
or is it just...go big or go home?

Re: Brainstorming: What do you want in a club night?

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Originally posted by Kid Lax What would make you, the Toronto TA's, come out and support a trance event in the city? Is it the venue? Sound? Lighting? General atmosphere? Price? Big Name DJs? 19+/all-ages? Cheap Drinks? Crowd? Women/men? Hype around an event/club? Because your friends are going?...or anything else ive missed

Hmm, let's start with Sound, Lightning, General Atmosphere, Price, DJs don't really matter as long as they're ripping the place apart (but big name DJs don't hurt either), 19+ definitely, cheap drinks are a definite plus, crowd (in my case, I'd prefer seeing some more women, more friendly and relaxed women!), hype really doesn't matter to me but it seems to draw more people , and yeah, without my friends no party is good enough...

So basically, everything you've listed should be taken into consideration. Once you cover most of those points, you've got yourself an event and a half!

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Originally posted by Kid Lax we'll take these events for example binary finary & transa both pretty much bombed why? what was so unappealing about either event?

i was at transa, so i'll comment on that (though i can't say anything about b.finary).

imo, transa wasn't very great overall simply because of the whole "live" formula, which isn't really live at all. for those who were there, you know what i mean.

furthermore, they were pretty much showcasing their new album "Chronology", they weren't "spinning" a set at all - they didn't even mix between songs, just let them die, and start the next one. the songs themselves were ok, some pretty original (as well as some classics - supernova was a blast, as usual). but not the standard club night set, you know.

personally, i enjoyed the other dj's more than i did transa (even though cafe del marco was to be heard twice during the night - which, hey, is f'ing awesome in my book! )

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What would make you, the Toronto TA's, come out and support a trance event in the city? Is it the venue? Sound? Lighting? General atmosphere? Price? Big Name DJs? 19+/all-ages? Cheap Drinks? Crowd? Women/men? Hype around an event/club? Because your friends are going?...or anything else ive missed

i will try to answer this from my point of view, so this is all just my opinion.

the venue makes a big effect - i like to see downtown events, just because i like downtown also it's more convenient to get there rather than to viva (for me). so to extend this generally, i would say the venue matters in terms of convenience of location. another factor is reputation, though not as important imo. the guv has a reputation (good or bad depends on who you ask ), but a "reputation" might not always be good, because the more well-known a club is, the greater the danger of commercialization.

the sound is a huge huge huge factor!!! the perfect sound system - imo - is one where
a) it's loud (duh!), but
b) not loud enough so that you can't talk to people, not even while yelling! (hint: guv)
c) the sound is clear, and you can hear everything - that is, the bass isn't overpowering. but the bass still must be very strong (turbo had this down pat on that transa night), but not farting (hint: guv!). at the guv, you can't really hear the full details of the music, mostly farting bass (especially the main room - the kool haus is usually a little better). i personally don't like THAT much bass.

lighting is a must-have, for sure. especially if you're tripping out. cool lasers are a definite requirement!! smoke is cool too, but not when overdone.

ok i'll just hurry it up, this is getting tedious (lol). general atmosphere - if you mean the "vibe", then obviously this is THE greatest thing that will make or break your club night. likewise, i prefer non-hyped events, because hype tends to draw ginos . NOT super-expensive drinks/refreshments is a huge bonus. if i'm dead tired in the course of the night, and/or parched, some fruit or drinks will definitely keep me going. the lack of refreshments (or a huge price tag) will make me call it quits earlier than i would like to. of course, if the dj is just THAT good, that is, to make me transcend the petty needs of the body through the music - well, damn, i'll stay 'till the end.

19+ for sure, to avoid the Candy Kid Raver Syndrome.

the biggest thing, though, is the DJ and the MUSIC. i must say that hearing the same uplifting formula can get tiring, so armin and ferry night after night (or similar style) would not be good at all. variety is key! hard trance should be a staple for sure. there should be prog in there too, and definitely psy/goa late in the night for maximum effetiveness!! (i love it)

well that was way overdrawn and totally more than i expected i would type. if i missed something i'll add it in later.

amm all ages .. as i hear suck and so i dont think all age is good but then what about the 18 year olds and 17 year olds that are there for the muzik and not the booty..

so really it's a tough call

HARD trance dj's would be great.. or any djs from europe that would be willing to come... to see the gatecrasher growed would be great..

drinks i supose a reasonable price.. like cans 1 buck and beer i dont know how much beer goes for so i cant say.. but ya... just so it's not as expenseive as it is at the gov.. (so i hear)

good lighting.. like nice pumping lazers.. would be fun 50/50 men women ratio is fine even thoe i know guys would say more chicks.. but still come one.. we need some fun just as much ..
having a dress code.. would be nice..


can you have a line saying NO gino's allowed..? lol sorry but i had to put that in..

but ya.. right now i dont know i should get into the clubing scene first.. then i could ilaborate..

I remember asking this question to a girl at Guv a while ago.

She said that an awsome clubbing experience would be if every single person at the club was on xtc.

It would be something like..

* Size. For me it's either a 10,000+ people party or 500 people party. In other words either very intimate, or really huge.

* Temperature. Even the best night ever will suck if the temperature is too hot.

* Lazers. Love them! Need them! But not cheap lazers like at System Sound bar. I'm talking about lazers at Guv or Viva. Cheap lazers are worse than no lazers.

* Friends. No party is complete without people who you care about and who care about you. Nothing beats seeing a smile of true happiness on a friend's face when you are both enjoying some track.

* Girls. No need to explain that one. I think everyone would agree that dancing next to a girl whom you like(even just as a friend) is very very enjoyable.

* Drugs. Hm.. That one is controversial. Sometimes it's even better to dance without those, but it definitely enhances the experience Moderation is the key.

* And last but not the least: Music. Doesn't even have to be the best DJ - as long as the music being played is what I like, I'll enjoy it. Seeing the DJ dancing and enjoying his own tunes behind the DJ booth is a definite plus.

thanks for the input, keep it up


but as ive gathered so far...
you'd be willing to support a smaller local event, provided there was:

good sound (i.e. louder doesn't mean better, clarity = better)
good lighting (i.e. lasers are a must)
good music, however the actual dj doesn't necessarly matter as long as the tunes are pumping and there's a variety
downtown venue
more or less a 50/50 ratio of guys to girls
reasonable drink prices
and friends, however that one is out of the promoters hands


what about dress codes? yay or nay?
does it add to the class of an event or just cause problems and turn away more people than it attracts?

anything you've ever wanted to see at an event (within reason, we're not talking about the love parade or trance energy here)
perhaps free water? nights that go past 3am? free givaways (cds, tapes, etc.)?

would these types of things gain your support? or are they meaningless things that do nothing for the night?

i say there should be a dress code..

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Originally posted by halo20 Alright let's see, In the period of a month (give or take) Toronto has seen.... - Picotto - Sasha - Digweed - Guy Ornadel - Tall 2XLC - Tiesto - Hawtin and Sven Vath Anybody else think the trance scene in Toronto is dying?

Picotto - spins mainly 80% of the time strictly techno
Digweed - doesn't spin trance, occasionally drops trance tracks
Sasha - doesn't spin trance, rarely drops trance tracks
Guy Ornadel - spins trance
Tall 2XLC - spins mainly trance, techno & hard trance
Tiesto - is he even considered trance anymore???
Hawtin & Sven Vath - trance??? dunno about Hawtin, but Sven Vath is a techno legend...

so my man wat are you talking about? toronto throughout the whole year has received more progressive,house & even breaks dj's than trance & techno, thats the bloody truth! so wats my conclusion...well i think that the trance scene here is quite pretty dead

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Originally posted by Kid Lax What about dress codes? yay or nay? does it add to the class of an event or just cause problems and turn away more people than it attracts?

Nay, why should people who really love the music have to dress up in clothes they don't feel comfortable in? Just have certain restrictions on it.... for example - no bandanas (to avoid thug types). Plus with a dress code it seems like some people are just trying to dress to impress other people instead of enjoying the music.

the dress code thing...
it really shouldnt be enforced. Again...Malice brought up a good point. Some people feel uncomfortable "dressing up". If its more as a lounge type scene..then maybe. But if its a banging party...u dont wanna dance around for a couple of solid hours wearing a dress shirt.
For those inclined to dress up(like me) lol thats our problem....the whole thing about "dress to impress"...obviously itll look a tad nicer, but we'll end up soaking our clothes in sweat half way.
It's all about what a person feels comfortable dancing in.

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Originally posted by Kid Lax so you're saying for you its all about the big name djs?

Just to comment for real here. It's not that the big dj's make the best parties, they are however the ones I attend. I only get a chance to hit a party every so often (because of money and school) and therefore the bigger parties (IE: with bigger dj's) will always garner my attention first.

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Originally posted by Julie_Spyder i say there should be a dress code..

Me too.

For me the perfect party would be:
cheap drinks: I have more fun when I'm drunk.

lots of women: When you advertise a party like "ladies in free b4 12", more women come which makes more guys come. It's in my opinion one of the best advertising ideas.

dress code: I don't really have too much reasoning behind this, I just prefer parties with dress code over any other party.

Music: House is nice to start off the night until about 12, then some nice trance until 3-4, then some bangin progressive till closing time (hopefully around 6).

for the record, sven vath used to produce trance records, he got bored and switched to techno.

half a dress code is nice, for me it means turning away kandi kids and my uncle george and his wife(you know the 45+yrs type that just don't fit in there), also turning away goths is a plus ( i just saw some of them last weekend and I was like wtf!?!) but since all this is impossible to enforce (you can't just tell them to fuck off), casual dress should be enforced...

also very important, ventilation system to clear that damn smoke that make my eyes bleed

half price for ladies, then you have a good female/male ratio

one last thing... kick those who remove their shirts!!! AGHHHHHHH

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Originally posted by bluE_Neon so my man wat are you talking about? toronto throughout the whole year has received more progressive,house & even breaks dj's than trance & techno, thats the bloody truth! so wats my conclusion...well i think that the trance scene here is quite pretty dead

Those were just off the top of my head mate. Shit if you want to be that picky who the fuck spins trance. I mean what are you talking about Tiesto doesn't spin trance. Give me a god damn break. To a certain extent all dj's spin elements of something else, but saying that trance is only trance if it's fucking Gouryella, geez.

In reference to the post in the first place I was actually just talking about dj's in general. He made it sound like all parties were dead. I dunno. Anyways, whatever.

Seriously people, I think the only thing that this city needs is some afterhours clubs and places people can chill in the morning after the whole clubbing experience... something a-la Comfort Zone, just a bit goddamn "cleaner".

And dress code? Are you kidding me... some of us don't really feel comfortable dressing up.

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Originally posted by loconet I remember asking this question to a girl at Guv a while ago. She said that an awsome clubbing experience would be if every single person at the club was on xtc. It would be something like..

BUHAHAHAHHAHAAA!
(typical GUV answer)

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