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Posted by trancedfarmer on Nov-30-2002 16:40:

Pot

Some people seem to have problems with weed. Personally i dont really care. I dont find anything wrog with it. Do you have problems with pot? Talk about experiences...


Posted by JohnSmith on Nov-30-2002 19:52:

I smoked it quite a bit through high school and college. It got to be that i was smoking it everyday at least once, and usually 3 or 4 times. I started to feel dumb and un-motivated though, so i quit.

i have been quit for 7 months now, but i still don't mind if other people smoke it. in fact, i think that it should be legalized.


Posted by Luke Terry on Dec-01-2002 11:11:

Cool

i would say go on legalise it, but im sure everybody knows what happens to people who drink during work, imagine them drinking and smoking @ work, especially if it just happens to be a surgeon doing your open heart surgery or summat later on in life... makes u think


Posted by TranceGiant on Dec-01-2002 14:34:

Rasta

Smoked it twice in my life (guess where....JP'S evil city! ) found it nice but havent smoked ever since. Then again I havent had the oppurtunity either. The good thing about it, when comparing to alcohol, is that both are relaxing and raise self-confidence while alcohol seems to weaken your logical thinking, make u dumb like a 5 year old at times..as opposed to the weed experience I had where I found myself philsophying about the word "fuck" at machine gun pace..I talked and made a grammar correction of the things said before at the same time..weird shit


Posted by trancedfarmer on Dec-01-2002 18:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Project T
i would say go on legalise it, but im sure everybody knows what happens to people who drink during work, imagine them drinking and smoking @ work, especially if it just happens to be a surgeon doing your open heart surgery or summat later on in life... makes u think


i agree, i would never go to work stoned. i think its recreational and working high is irresponsible!


Posted by jp on Dec-01-2002 19:13:

quote:
guess where....JP'S evil city!


over 400 places to buy it

Anyway:

-drinking alcohol makes people violent
-weed helps against M.S, eyesight problems, helps eating for people with aids/cancer
-nobody ever died using weed

People should smoke if they want to, but education is important. That's why it should be legal. The taxes can be used to fund the eductation!


Posted by trancedfarmer on Dec-03-2002 05:06:

hehe-- you pot-heads!.....


Posted by ascension on Dec-03-2002 05:48:

Its interesting to note that the active constituent in pot, 9-THC is actually 20 times more potent than asprin as an analgesic..

if there wasnt such a bad stigma attatched to the drug, there would probably be alot more research being conducted into its therapeutic uses..


Posted by drewfactor on Dec-03-2002 23:33:

I did a research project at university by reviewing all the literature on marijuana as an analgesic. In fact I found out that THC and Codiene have a linear correlation for effectiveness in analgesic effect, as duplicated in many studies!

THE PROBLEM: Marijuana produced "undesirable psychotropic side effects" as cited in all the studies.

It is hard to isolate the analgesic effect from the psychoactive properties of THC.

Further research into other cannabinoids contained in weed might hold the answer though.

Personally I think the psychoactive effects are the best part...you?


Posted by drewfactor on Dec-03-2002 23:34:

Oh yeah....and music sounds better when you're stoned


Posted by biznology on Dec-03-2002 23:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Project T
i would say go on legalise it, but im sure everybody knows what happens to people who drink during work, imagine them drinking and smoking @ work, especially if it just happens to be a surgeon doing your open heart surgery or summat later on in life... makes u think



well first of all, if a surgeon is doing either, youre fucked, they dont just have to be doing both at work.

but the issue here is access and legality. dont you think that many people that turn to alcohol to 'relax' or whatever you want to call it, may in fact use MJ instead - being that there is little physical sickness or hangover afterwards and in general its easier on your organs - esp if eaten? i believe that people would drink less - and the terror people seem to find from people 'working' whilst high is almost funny too.

personally, last semester i used to smoke almost everyday. honestly - im more lazy now then i was ever back then. part of my laziness now is just the reaction to sobriety, and a lack of the ability to relax thanks to 'Yes I Can-ibus!' (sorry simpsons joke)

there is 2 sides to marijuana use, the casual user who often fears the effects of MJ cause it makes them feel 'stupid' after several hits, or the simply uneducated person - smoker or non. THC is largely non addictive, and certainly nothing like alcohol which is more addictive than caffeine, or nicotine which is more addictive than heroin. as JP said, and studies back up, you would have to smoke 40000 times the amount of pot it takes you to get high to have it kill you. drewfactor has a point, and i do agree with him.

the avid user of MJ, whom are actually MUCH more prevalent than you actually believe or want to believe see MJ differently. of course, there is a psychological craving for those analgesic and psychoactive properties, but no physical (see:CNS) addiction like cigs. so they go through ups and downs where smoking 'levels' them out...so basically you have a little smot and youre relatively sober feeling.

sure, it doesnt count as sober, and most people continue beyond the sober point - so there are issues. but on the other hand, people that smoked have performed better in driving simulations that some sober people, and those that were cited in accidents on the roadway often were under the influence of alcohol too.

thats my rant...sorry if its long. basically i think the prohibition bullshit mentality about MJ being worse for you than alc or cigs has to go...people need to be educated|


Posted by drewfactor on Dec-04-2002 21:54:

well said bro^^^^^

In my clinical setting at the hospital, the health care professionals seem to stigmatize patients who smoke weed (if they find out) more than those who drink.

I see the effects of alcohol in the hospital through, drunk driving accidents, liver cirrhosis, alcohol induced peripheral neuropathy, diabetes, etc...and the withdrawal from alcohol is terrible, it's called Delerious Tremors and can result in violent siezures...

..yet the happy stoner comes in to the hospital and everyone's like "oh my god, he smells like pot..must be druggie tsk tsk tsk.."

I have never witnessed the bad result of smoking marijuana...ok..it's prolly not smart to get really baked and cruize around or perform important function like if your operating heavy machinery or surgery...

A recent study was released saying that there is no conclusive link of MJ as a gateway drug either.


Posted by biznology on Dec-05-2002 02:31:

quote:
Originally posted by drewfactor
...

A recent study was released saying that there is no conclusive link of MJ as a gateway drug either.


if its a gateway drug it is only BECAUSE of the prohibition...the govt makes the unknowing think that MJ is just as bad as coke, heroin and worse than alcohol and cigs - so when a person tries it, and most people eventually do, they are thrown for a loop. it is most certainly a drug, but its in general safer than even Ibuprofen and even has less ill effect if eaten (no stomache bleeding, but most importantly no throat/neck cancer). late|


Posted by 531.am on Dec-05-2002 02:44:

I wrote a paper on legalizing Marijuana.....and I got an A+...I never wrote a damn good paper in my life till then. Marijuana inspires good things and I approve of Cannabis!!


Posted by trancedfarmer on Dec-05-2002 07:03:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Cubano
I wrote a paper on legalizing Marijuana.....and I got an A+...I never wrote a damn good paper in my life till then. Marijuana inspires good things and I approve of Cannabis!!


interesting... any other success stories? haha!...!


Posted by zarathustra on Dec-05-2002 17:52:

How can alcohol be legal and MJ not be?

It certainly can't be because the govt is looking out for our health, alcohol has caused 100000000000000000000000 times more damage than pot ever will. I've done a fair bit of drugs in many combinations but I have never felt worse than after a night of drinking hard alcohol.

I would argue that because of its accessibility, alcohol is the worst drug possible. I read somewhere that 16/100 people who drink will become alcoholics wheras 15/100 who try heroin and 6/100 for cocaine become addicted.

I understand that alcoholics have created a new metabolic pathway in their digestive systems due to the years of drinking. That's probably why alcohol withdrawl is so horrible.

Compared to alcohol, pot (and many other drugs) seem harmless for reasons already stated here.

My reasoning is that if alcohol is legal, then pot should definitely be also.


Posted by Arbiter on Dec-05-2002 21:45:

None of the government's business IMO


Posted by trancedfarmer on Dec-06-2002 07:01:

quote:
Originally posted by zarathustra
How can alcohol be legal and MJ not be?

It certainly can't be because the govt is looking out for our health, alcohol has caused 100000000000000000000000 times more damage than pot ever will. I've done a fair bit of drugs in many combinations but I have never felt worse than after a night of drinking hard alcohol.

I would argue that because of its accessibility, alcohol is the worst drug possible. I read somewhere that 16/100 people who drink will become alcoholics wheras 15/100 who try heroin and 6/100 for cocaine become addicted.

I understand that alcoholics have created a new metabolic pathway in their digestive systems due to the years of drinking. That's probably why alcohol withdrawl is so horrible.

Compared to alcohol, pot (and many other drugs) seem harmless for reasons already stated here.

My reasoning is that if alcohol is legal, then pot should definitely be also.


It is truly perplexing.... though i know certain people.. who sometimes have problems driving when therye STOOOned... nahnah...


Posted by PeacefulWarrior on Dec-09-2002 22:37:

I have no problems with other people smoking pot. People should be free to make decisions for themselves as long as they are the only ones affected by that decision.

However, advocating the use of pot to "for health purposes" as some pot heads have put it, is absurd. Pot is a recreational/pleasure drug, so just admit it. It's like saying, "if you smoke three packs of cigarettes per day your glucoma will be cured."


Posted by biznology on Dec-09-2002 22:48:

quote:
Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
I have no problems with other people smoking pot. People should be free to make decisions for themselves as long as they are the only ones affected by that decision.

However, advocating the use of pot to "for health purposes" as some pot heads have put it, is absurd. Pot is a recreational/pleasure drug, so just admit it. It's like saying, "if you smoke three packs of cigarettes per day your glucoma will be cured."


i agree with you on the fact that having a bunch of burnout stoners argue the medical marijuana route is rediculous, for the most part.

the truth is, that MJ has been proved to be helpful in the treatment of certain glaucomas, and in restoring appetite in terminally ill patients. these may be small areas of acceptable application - but if heroin can be prescribed just by calling it Morphine, then thc should be as well.

they have a pill form of tnc thats notoriously unreliable, either it does nothing or puts people to sleep. and smoking seems anti-health, but its simple and reliable.

its certainly a complicated issue|



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