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R.A.V.E. ... more Republican BS

While the bill currently before the legislators of Congress literally spells out R.A.V.E. (Reducing Americas Vulnerability to Ecstacy), many charge that the act could affect the activities of nightclubs as well as large scale underground parties.
The R.A.V.E. Act, Senate Bill 2633, would make it illegal for anyone to knowingly permit or promote the usage of drugs or illegal controlled substances, or profit from such activity on their property. But what constitutes �knowing�? The bill�s stated purpose is to �prohibit any individual from knowingly opening, maintaining, controlling, renting, leasing, making available for use, or profiting from any place for the purpose of manufacturing, distributing, or using any controlled substance, and for other purposes.�
So while it�s supposed to be targeted at raves, it�s wording implies nightclubs as well, and any one associated with a party, whether aware of drug use or not., can be held responsible. The bill says that you don�t even have to directly profit from the sale of drugs in your establishment, or venue you work for, to be held accountable. If you are a nightclub owner or promoter, and the government suspects that you�re aware that people are selling or using drugs at your venue, they could hold you in violation.
According to the bill, �person(s) found in violation of the act will be subject to a civil penalty of not more than the greater of either $250,000, or two times the gross receipts, either known or estimated, that were derived from each violation that is attributable to the person.
The bill labels drugs like ecstacy, special K, Rohypnol and GHB as �club drugs� and associates the sale of �over priced� water bottles, pacifiers, glow sticks, nasal sprays and massage oils with drug use. And it also lists having a �chillout room� as being indicative of drug use at your party or venue. So, if you are, for example, charging four dollars for Poland Spring, selling glow sticks or providing an area in your club to sit and talk, you might fall under suspicion.
According to Susan Mainzer, CEO of Green Galactic, a production media company, the bill could conceivably be used against club owners just trying to run a business and hold them responsible for the actions of their patrons. �If their customers are caught with any drugs, the owner or promoter could be fined up to half a million dollars� she said. �The wording of the bill is so vague that basically anybody can be arrested for anything.�

The above was taken from Club Systems magazine.

yeah man, this things getting way outta fuckin hand. there was a thread about it a while ago i believe that allowed people to send responses to their cities or states representatives to oppose the passing of the bill...i could be confusing it with another website though

Re: R.A.V.E. ... more Republican BS

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Originally posted by Johnny Eckhardt and associates the sale of �over priced� water bottles, pacifiers, glow sticks, nasal sprays and massage oils with drug use. And it also lists having a �chillout room� as being indicative of drug use at your party or venue.

Any club stupid enough to sell some of that shit on their premises is just asking for trouble, IMO.

i don't think we should blame the government. it's all the mother ******s who DO the drugs. THEY HAVE RUINED OUR SCENE

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Originally posted by djSlain i don't think we should blame the government. it's all the mother ******s who DO the drugs. THEY HAVE RUINED OUR SCENE

That's very true. That's why i say they need to target the drug dealers first, then work their way up the chain to the users. Work from the bottom up. This sucks major d*ck. Bleh

well they can arrest all sports arena !
to see NHL and NBA and NFL you pay 4.50 $/bottle of water !

and all new-york city could be arrested !

Yes, there was another thread about it .. CLICK on this link, it has a bunch of lot more of INFO ..

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...light=rave+bill

i dont understand why the people who do the drugs are the ones ruining the scene!!! they are out having fun doing something that only affects them and their body. ive seen worse from drunks and people who think they are cool because they dont take drugs.... wow clap clap your sooo strong willed... get over it!!!


blah the r.a.v.e. act is fkn stupid and everyone in america should be protesting it.... if it were a g.o.t.h. act id protest it even though i have nothing to do with that scene... because its an intrusion on your civil rights!

You know.....wouldn't it be better for the American government to stop the REAL drug business?? By that I mean cocaine (in its "crack" form) and heroine, the biggest killers out there.

Oh wait, Congress gets its secret kickbacks from various cartels in South America and around the world....yeah, so they have to target the dance/rave scene instead.

I personally think it's an attempt to kill non-commercial music. Rap is ok though, with all its swearing and talk about bitches, cars, capping people with guns, more guns and cars, more guns, banging hoes and money money money cap yo' ass nigga. Anyway, my point is....the American government doesn't do anything about the negative effects of rap do they? No....why? Because it sells in the mainstream market. Trance, as part of the "rave scene" (what an outdated fucking term), is not mainstream and thus the government have no control.

Honestly, the American goverment are such FUCKS....no wonder everybody hates Americans. I suggest Mr. Hick Bush try to stop the real drugs from killing people. I don't know actual numbers, but for one person who dies using Ectsacy or Special K, there are a HELL of lot more poor buggers buying it from overdosing on crack or heroine.

I don't even do ANY drugs, not even weed these days, and I find this proposed bill simply fucking ridiculous.

I'm Canadian and this bill doesn't directly affect me but you never know....the Liberals could implement a similar Bill if Congress passes theirs. Holy fuck Congress......go bomb Iraq or something......just stay away from our TRANCE!!

Let me ask this...how the HELL can you tell me if someone is on drugs just because they're dancing around with flashy glow sticks and drinking bottles of water?????

I saw Armin in September at the Guvernment and his set started at 3 and went on until like 7 am. Maybe I drank 5 bottles of water in that time BECAUSE IT WAS HOT ON THE DANCE FLOOR!?!?!?

What brilliant people we humans elect to run our governments.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 Let me ask this...how the HELL can you tell me if someone is on drugs just because they're dancing around with flashy glow sticks and drinking bottles of water?????

One who dances with glow sticks must be on drugs j/k, I think this law is plain stupid. Music has got nothing to do with drugs, and, even if it did, there's no way to fight drug use... people will always find a new way to get narcotics

only in america

why do they persist to make things more complicated than they actually are...

ya know a lot of people (cant account for anywhere else in tha world) but in the uk a lot of people who goto clubs and stuff just take pills as its classed as "club culture" and a lot of people out there take them as it goes with the music and the night etc , although i dont take them as i see no need always on a natural high without pills and shit, but would help to clean up the scene a bit i suppose but wont really effect us in the uk :S

sorry about my total ignorance and my stupid english but can anyone give me a definition of "glow stick"?

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Originally posted by _The_Storm_ sorry about my total ignorance and my stupid english but can anyone give me a definition of "glow stick"?

It's a stick that glows.

You'd think the name would give it away...

Said this in the chillout room on the same post:

The more attention this R.A.V.E. act receives, the more attention is drawn into the music. Kids and young adults love to do nothing more than rebel against society. Honestly, this is only going to help, not hurt. Even if this goes back "underground" as some people may claim, the masses will flock because of it's supposed risks and anti-societal ideals. Honestly though, I truly believe that cooler heads will prevail, and common sense will eventually overrule anything that comes out of this. Even if this does turn into law, the ACLU (which I tend to despise at times) and other oppenents have an incredibly strong case, which is primarily backed by basic logic and common sense. I'm honestly not too worried about this hoopla. Most of the commotion is coming from the media and their incredible wacky twist on things. Take the media with a grain of salt, and you'll see that this won't go too far, even in the worst case scenario if it is passed. Lawsuits would pile up quickly.

lol.. sooon or later.. they will make drinking illegal again.. lol... if they do there research they will find that there are way more drinking related deaths then any drugs combined. hmmmm somehting they should think about.....
i always tell my friends "if everyone in this world took just one pill, we would have worldwide peace"

Alcohol and Cigarettes = world population control (mortality rate vs. birth rate)

Illicit Drugs = $ for U.S. government including local police, FBI, D.E.A. careers, political careers and platforms (i.e. current anti-terrorist funding jargon), under-the-table money swapping to foreign countries (uh, Columbia perhaps?), and on and on.

Sad but true outlook.

im glad i live in england.

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Originally posted by djSlain i don't think we should blame the government. it's all the mother ******s who DO the drugs. THEY HAVE RUINED OUR SCENE

dood stfu! you dont know what your talking about..... but since i have witnessed pretty much all of the uk's club culture since 88 pretty much when it started... let me tell you what i know

drugs r pretty much what started the scene..... clubbing is all about having a good time.... drugs help this along more than anything. clubbing means expressing yourself thru dancing to let off steam.... another thing that drugs helps with.

if it wernt for drugs, the club scene wouldnt be as powerful as it is.

in the late 80's - early 90's ppl were going into fields, holding illegal raves. and basically everyone there would be absolutely obliterated on drugs, but all having the time of their lives.... for those few hours, everyone loves each other, and loves the music, it is because of these partys that the culture grew to be so strong.... 'the strength of unity'.

BUT.... im sure im not the onlyone who will say this..... in the eyes of the drug taking clubber..... YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS ANTI-DRUGS PPL are exactly what is ruining the scene.... with your narrowmindedness.... sluggish drunken behaviour and fighting...... leading to deaths.

indeed, drugs may be the end of clubbing in the US, but thats the US thats killing it....... dont blame it on us fun loving ppl loving, music loving drug takers, when your country is piling shit laws on to complicate the scene..... either way.... id sooner the club culture die completely because of how it is now, and be remembered as being the best lifestyle to be a part of, cos of the drug taking party ppl, and funseekers.... as opposed to dieing in the sense that it becomes over-run by the pissed up drunkard brawling narrowminders like you, and completely destroying the club scenes credibility.


if club scene does die (which it wont ever).. drugs will have been the birth and the death of it...... and i have to say, that im so glad that i have been fucked off my face to witness it.


peace .. long live drugs, clubs, and good times

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] BUT.... im sure im not the onlyone who will say this..... in the eyes of the drug taking clubber..... YOU SELF RIGHTEOUS ANTI-DRUGS PPL are exactly what is ruining the scene.... with your narrowmindedness.... sluggish drunken behaviour and fighting...... leading to deaths.

hehehe thankyou stephen

If ppl wanna do drugs that's their choice, if they willingly take or sniff or whatever knowing the risks then that's upto them and nothing we can do about it.

I'm anti-drugs cos I lost a good mate to them when i was younger, and it put me off them, but I can say that ppl who do them are still as good ppl (ste jay etc) as those who dont (fly mikey etc) so quit flaming ppl cos they do drugs and concentrate on enjoying urself when ur in there, wotever way ur gonna do it

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Originally posted by ferrycorstenfan If ppl wanna do drugs that's their choice, if they willingly take or sniff or whatever knowing the risks then that's upto them and nothing we can do about it. I'm anti-drugs cos I lost a good mate to them when i was younger, and it put me off them, but I can say that ppl who do them are still as good ppl (ste jay etc) as those who dont (fly mikey etc) so quit flaming ppl cos they do drugs and concentrate on enjoying urself when ur in there, wotever way ur gonna do it

Exactly! I choose not to do any drugs. That is my choice, such as is the same with a person who does choose to do any. If you are going to do drugs because it enhances your experience, FINE! No problem. Just don't take 7 pills in one night and then SIT on the dance floor with you and 10 of your friends in the middle of a WICKED set and give me no room to fucking dance! Grrrrrrr damned e-tards...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery It's a stick that glows. You'd think the name would give it away...

actually a "stick that glows" doesn't make any sense at all in portuguese (um pau q cola?) lol

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