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Posted by Dupz on Dec-10-2002 02:48:

Dunno Foreign News Coverage in the US

My sister has recently been in the US, and mentioned how little international news was broadcast on their networks..
I was just wondering if anyone else has noticed this (either if you live in the US, or have visited).
Are other countries showing similar trends towards showing foreign news??
The excuse my sister heard for this lack of news is that the US is such a large country, that it has plenty local news to focus on before focussing on foreign news etc etc..
What are the implications of such a view point that foreign news is simply not important to news broadcasters??


Posted by JohnSmith on Dec-10-2002 03:43:

it's akin to the iron curtain, the purpose is isolation. but rather than forbid the outside news, they just omit it, and hope they can make life hard enough for you that you will never bother to go look things up.

it's terrible.


Posted by dr me on Dec-10-2002 15:40:

they probably do but its probably on the less commercial channels


Posted by Terpsichore on Dec-11-2002 22:43:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
it's akin to the iron curtain, the purpose is isolation. but rather than forbid the outside news, they just omit it, and hope they can make life hard enough for you that you will never bother to go look things up.

it's terrible.

Have to agree with you. I lived in the US for one year and the Internet is the only way to find some news about other countries.
They just don't care. It is also that Americans are very bad at geography so they can't locate most countries on the globe (< no joke).


Posted by Izzy on Dec-12-2002 00:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Terpsichore
Have to agree with you. I lived in the US for one year and the Internet is the only way to find some news about other countries.
They just don't care.


i would have to say that i kinda agree, i personally find that americans are pretty selfish and only care about the issues that effect them, thus news coverage mainly only goes after local issues and such (to draw in that majority of the crowd). foriegn news agian is only widespread covered when it involves america, although there are cases when general international news is covered as well. ones i've seen lately are on network nightly news (NBC, CBS...) the oil spill off of spain and venezualian strikes going on now. still its far from where it should be, the BBC does exellent world broadcasts, although personally i find them to be biased on occaisions (or at least opion motivated)


Posted by Verona^My on Dec-15-2002 13:36:

there is a language barrier to that of most european countries, and two big oceans separating us from the rest of the world... That helped us win the revolutionary war, and it helps explain our distance from the rest of the world in terms of news.


Posted by Stunt on Dec-19-2002 20:07:

Language barrier? Half the world speaks english (or tries to). You can visit almost the entire world, speak only english, and i garanty that more than 90% will understand you.


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Dec-19-2002 23:14:

Well Europe is separated by that ocean as well from the america, but still we get most of the important news from there.

And yes, I agree with you all, American foreing news aren't good at all. I lived there for two years, and it is amazing to see what they think of the rest of the world. When I was there in 1995-1997, they still had maps of Soviet Union!, Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia on their european maps. And not just like old maps, but new maps which they were printing out to kids and nobody told them that was wrong. Also, lot of kids there (7th and 8th grade at the time I was there) asked me if Croatia was in Africa! or if we have elephants roaming around!!! They were also very surprised at my ability to use telephone. Some even didn't know where Europe is or even what it was. There's been a test about geographical litteracy on the www.nationalgeographic.com and of course, american kids did worst. America is too closed in on itself, and even when people try to be open about the rest of the world, they assume everyone is coming from tribe-like communities that exist only in some parts of Africa nowadays, which makes them look arrogant and stupid. Probably because all they see about other countries is documentaries, which usually don't concentrate on new urban areas, but mostly on traditional ways of living and history.


Posted by Stunt on Dec-20-2002 09:23:

Just took that test, and i was surprised at how easy that was. Not to brag, but it wasn't difficult. But where lies the problem then? If the problems ly with the documenteries is it then so hard to make new ones that portray the world right? Maybe documenteries about the breakup of Czechoslovakia or the Soviet Union. And if that doesn't help, radical reforms in the education system. Other suggestions?


Posted by Trance Plant on Dec-21-2002 13:25:

quote:
helps explain our distance from the rest of the world in terms of news.


Well, geographically speaking, your northern neighbour is also in the same situation as the US. However, in addition to the National News, Canadian News broadcasters, and newspapers have plenty of world news. So contrary for Canada, at least, our geographical distance from the rest of the world doesn't help "in terms of news".

Also, I just browsed MSNBC Here are their Top Stories:

Iraq intelligence
-U.S. will give U.N. teams data; more sites probed

Arab world uneasy
-NBC: Nations challenge Washington�s diplomacy

Relief effort
-WP: Bracing for war, aid agencies speed effort

***It would seem like the US has to be involved in those stories, for broadcasters, and internet news sites etc, to broadcast world news.***

TOP TV NEWS STORIES


� Today: Your child and hearing loss
� Dateline: What are you really paying in the rush at the register?
� Today: Dealing with in-laws for the holidays
� Today: Fixing up furniture for the holidays
� Today: Keeping your credit score straight
� Dateline: Scorsese�s history of New York
� Dateline: Kids have easy access to violent video games
� Nightly News: LAPD considers fewer car chases
� Today: Treating teen depression
� Today: Reducing the risks of food illness
� Today: Staying healthy while you travel
� Dateline: Friend of alleged sniper says wife was real target
� Today: Converting your home into cash
� Today Book Club for December: �Paradise Alley�

LOL

Probably CNN does the best job CNN WORLD


Now, if you look at CBC NEWS (CANADA) you'll notice that, in addition, to Canadian news, you'll find tons of World News.

'Offensive' remarks cost Lott top Senate job
Blix to U.S., U.K: where are the weapons?
Canadian Embassy in Philippines to reopen
U.S. and Britain issue travel warning for Indonesia
Middle East peace on agenda in Washington
French police arrest 10 suspected ETA members
Maoist guerrillas kill 18 in India
French troops say they'll stop rebel advance in Ivory Coast
Venezuelan strikers reject top court order
Pope OKs Mother Teresa miracle
Vatican recognizes wartime limits of Pius XII
New Zealand loses its name to Internet

...and more.

Now BBC NEWS speaks for itself.


Here's a sample from an Australian News site ABC NEWS

Some of their top stories:

New Bali bombing suspect named
UN experts probe four sites, Iraq denounces Bush
Oil slick from Prestige tanker threatens Bay of Biscay
Body of Pearl murder suspect identified in Pakistan

Anyhow, I'm sure there are many more examples.

TP


Posted by Stunt on Dec-21-2002 16:56:

So it's not so much due to geographical isolation as to isoliniast behavior, correct?


Posted by Trance Plant on Dec-21-2002 17:28:

I think that's predominately the stigma of the US Citizen.

Like anything else however, we can't generalize. I've met many Americans while traveling, and those folks knew, and weren't ignorant about what was happening in the rest of the world. For the same reason, you'll find some ignorant (insert your people here), it all really depends on the individual.


Posted by DrUg_Tit0 on Dec-21-2002 18:14:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance Plant
� Today: Your child and hearing loss
� Dateline: What are you really paying in the rush at the register?
� Today: Dealing with in-laws for the holidays
� Today: Fixing up furniture for the holidays
� Today: Keeping your credit score straight
� Dateline: Scorsese�s history of New York
� Dateline: Kids have easy access to violent video games
� Nightly News: LAPD considers fewer car chases
� Today: Treating teen depression
� Today: Reducing the risks of food illness
� Today: Staying healthy while you travel
� Dateline: Friend of alleged sniper says wife was real target
� Today: Converting your home into cash
� Today Book Club for December: �Paradise Alley�


LoL, i think the person who made these news has serious problems with understanding the definition of news. This sounds more like Oprah show subjects than the actual news.


Posted by Stanza on Dec-22-2002 09:28:

I was in the states this time last year. I must agree that their foreign news coverage is pretty poor. I watched CNN basically every night and they only had a few snippets of news about Europe and all the hype surrounding the Euro. Probably because back then US was too concerned about the war in Afghanistan.
However, other news network like the ABC had more content on foreign affairs. They even had a report on the Sydney bushfires and our own NSW Premier Bob Carr was commenting on how pathetic these young firebugs were, having nothing to do but to cause absolute havoc.


Posted by sifntj0r on Dec-22-2002 10:14:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
it's akin to the iron curtain, the purpose is isolation. but rather than forbid the outside news, they just omit it, and hope they can make life hard enough for you that you will never bother to go look things up.

it's terrible.


quote:
Originally posted by Terpsichore
Have to agree with you. I lived in the US for one year and the Internet is the only way to find some news about other countries.
They just don't care. It is also that Americans are very bad at geography so they can't locate most countries on the globe (< no joke).


you've missed the point he made, and while i agree with what you went onto say, i totally disagree with john 'ive read too much of orwells 1984' smith.

the real truth, john, is not a conspiracy theory of totalitarianism, rather the viewers (not the news networks, not the government, not the cia, not the presidents secret hit squad) don't give a rats ass about the rest of the world. all they care about (not just americans, but everyone in the world) are themselves. they only care for what affects them directly and indirectly on the local/national scale. people are just too selfish to care about someone elses troubles half away around the world, and only want to hear their seemingly important news, or should we say infotainment? but that's another issue, for another day.


Posted by quddha on Dec-23-2002 01:25:

quote:
Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0
Well Europe is separated by that ocean as well from the america, but still we get most of the important news from there.

And yes, I agree with you all, American foreing news aren't good at all. I lived there for two years, and it is amazing to see what they think of the rest of the world. When I was there in 1995-1997, they still had maps of Soviet Union!, Yugoslavia, and Czechoslovakia on their european maps. And not just like old maps, but new maps which they were printing out to kids and nobody told them that was wrong. Also, lot of kids there (7th and 8th grade at the time I was there) asked me if Croatia was in Africa! or if we have elephants roaming around!!! They were also very surprised at my ability to use telephone. Some even didn't know where Europe is or even what it was. There's been a test about geographical litteracy on the www.nationalgeographic.com and of course, american kids did worst. America is too closed in on itself, and even when people try to be open about the rest of the world, they assume everyone is coming from tribe-like communities that exist only in some parts of Africa nowadays, which makes them look arrogant and stupid. Probably because all they see about other countries is documentaries, which usually don't concentrate on new urban areas, but mostly on traditional ways of living and history.


Hmm, this reminds me of an article I read in anthropology this year. It was criticizing the national geographic for being very biased towards western "white" culture. Perhaps the national geographic isn't the only publication that is guilty of this, but this article used specific examples from NG.

Basically, if you look in the issues of national geographic, you see that when they have pictures of old places in Europe, such as Greece and Rome, you usually find regular everyday (white) people, dressed in modern day clothes... but if it's a picture from Africa, Asia or South America, they find primitive aboriginal tribal people to pose in the picture instead of the regular everyday people of that country, as if to say "look how much our western countries have advanced, and see how primitive everyone else is"

They also speak in a condensending tone about these people, eg "We had to make sure the aboriginals didn't break the artifacts lying around" as if they were dumb kids.

quote:
� Today: Your child and hearing loss
� Dateline: What are you really paying in the rush at the register?
� Today: Dealing with in-laws for the holidays
� Today: Fixing up furniture for the holidays
� Today: Keeping your credit score straight
� Dateline: Scorsese�s history of New York
� Dateline: Kids have easy access to violent video games
� Nightly News: LAPD considers fewer car chases
� Today: Treating teen depression
� Today: Reducing the risks of food illness
� Today: Staying healthy while you travel
� Dateline: Friend of alleged sniper says wife was real target
� Today: Converting your home into cash
� Today Book Club for December: �Paradise Alley�


Hehe, reminds me of that "culture of fear" point brought up in "bowling for columbine". If you haven't seen the movie, go to the website and watch the marylin manson interview, he sums it up pretty well.


Posted by Belgian Bonzai on Dec-30-2002 21:56:

Programmes that kick ass:
CNN
-Q&A
-Insight

BBC World
HardTalk

As for Belgium, I would rate our news 8/10
For the Belgians & Dutch: TerZake & Netwerk.


Posted by malek on Dec-31-2002 12:19:

in the 16 years i lived here, in canada, news coverage of the world is good to very good. some local chanels reserve something like 2 minutes to world affairs but i tend to not watch those crapy chanels anyways. the thing i noticed that slowly the amount of time reserved to world affairs has shrinked at prime time news (at about 6pm).

in Syria, its quite the contrary, its all about the world and very little about the country itself, except maybe who the president recieved or such bs

i used to get directv and have access to about a 150 local and news channel from the US and i was always dismayed at the little news coverage reserved to the "outside world"

and contrary to what other believes, i think its made on purpose to reserve more time for local "dog got killed in car accident news" than "war in africa and such", its not a conspiracy per say, its just very hard for me to explain. watch "bowling for columbine" to get a hint


Posted by extulas on Jan-02-2003 11:39:

The BBC comes on in Connecticut on like PBS or some shit from 11:00pm -12:00am, I enjoy watching that because it isnt just Briatin or the U.S its EVERYWHERE in the world. And bbc.co.uk is also nice.


Posted by PeacefulWarrior on Jan-03-2003 05:22:

How fucked up is it that I have to go on ANOTHER country's website to get news about my country?


Posted by Cyrus King on Jan-03-2003 08:50:

quote:
Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior
How fucked up is it that I have to go on ANOTHER country's website to get news about my country?


Thats the PRice Americans have blindfully paid as propaganda is the focus of presentation in US media.


Posted by gOOD-tRiP on Jan-03-2003 11:04:

all true. I live in the US and its funny how a story comes out on american news and when you hear about it from foriegn news its a complete different story. Like about how S. Korean Demonstraters are angered about the US killing two young children so they are attacking american soldiers in their embassy's. They made them look really bad but when i heard the whole story they had many other reasons why they are mad which the US dont want their citizens to know about.


Posted by occrider on Jan-09-2003 05:39:

SO GO READ YOUR LOCAL NEWS!!! I don't understand why people complain so much about cnn and american news in general. YES it does have an American focus because it is an AMERICAN news channel. Who's going to most likely watch it??? AMERICANS! So of course these news channels are going to have a geographical bias. Although we don't have a lot of news from Europe we have a lot from South America because of geography. Are you saying that your local news channels are unbiased in covering stories from across the entire WORLD??? A) Are you watching the right news shows??? American news has a local news show FOLLOWED by a worldwide news show. B) Time how much news coverage your show has within a 5000 mile radius and time how much time is spent outside of that radius. News in general is going to be geographically biased to appeal to the population. They need to make money same as any other tv network.


Posted by tiesto14 on Jan-09-2003 06:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Trance Plant

TOP TV NEWS STORIES


� Today: Your child and hearing loss
� Dateline: What are you really paying in the rush at the register?
� Today: Dealing with in-laws for the holidays
� Today: Fixing up furniture for the holidays
� Today: Keeping your credit score straight
� Dateline: Scorsese�s history of New York
� Dateline: Kids have easy access to violent video games
� Nightly News: LAPD considers fewer car chases
� Today: Treating teen depression
� Today: Reducing the risks of food illness
� Today: Staying healthy while you travel
� Dateline: Friend of alleged sniper says wife was real target
� Today: Converting your home into cash
� Today Book Club for December: �Paradise Alley�

LOL



the Today show is a laid back morning show..not a world news show...and Dateline is a non-political magazine show...neither one is gearded towards reporting world affairs....like the show u presented for Canada

so make sure u know what your posting


Posted by rupert on Jan-09-2003 10:12:

its been said before but america is different. People outside of america can be told part of the truth because they cant change things, if enough american people got together after being told the hard unpleasant truth that their leaders are utter criminals could change things. Its happened before, ordinary people can make a difference, course if you were in the USA ruling elite you cant allow that to happen.

I would hope that if average americans really knew how its governments policies and those of its corporations affect the world they would do something to stop it. The training of death squads, the assassinations, the CIA backed coups, the indiscriminate bombing of countries that havent done anything to the USA, the sanctions regimes against countries like Iraq and Cuba. I could go on for page after page but whats the point.

The americans need to be kept in the dark, surely anyone that knew that their president cheated to win the 2000 election would never vote for him. Im sure that the average foreigner knows far more about the workings of america than the average american does.

Sadly I know exactly what sort of hateful people run america, I only need to turn on Fox News. "We report, you obey"


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