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Posted by biznology on Dec-10-2002 17:40:

The Hairy Bush Thread

hopefully this wasnt a big mistake...

but i happened upon this article in my school newspaper and found it quite interesting (which is a rarity in the daily)...

Thanks for Nothing

it pointed out some more reasons not to like Bush, tho it is very liberal and has basis. (no flamewars people!)

i was curious to see what others may have heard about this, and what you all think. i feel that with Bush in the White House TA is entitled to a thread outlining WHY we dont like him - and not cause he is a moron, tho one could argue...

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Posted by @ddicted on Dec-10-2002 18:52:

Why I don't like Bush? Because I have the feeling he wants to rule the world, and he likes to finish his father's job in Irak.
In my opinion you cannot prevent one war with another war. Or is he more interested in Irak's oil or something like that.

Posted by biznology on Dec-10-2002 19:02:

quote:
Originally posted by @ddicted
Why I don't like Bush? Because I have the feeling he wants to rule the world, and he likes to finish his father's job in Irak.
In my opinion you cannot prevent one war with another war. Or is he more interested in Irak's oil or something like that.

well those are all well and good reasons. except for that 'rule the world' thing. cmon people think of something original and back it up...i dont even think ^^ read the article i provided.

its obvious that oil is a major factor.

it does seem that Dubya wants to continue as his father did.

and i dont agree with the war either, but for some reason people in the US agree with Bush, and for what reason im not sure|

Posted by dr me on Dec-10-2002 21:36:

quote:

from the article:

Yesterday, the country's Democratic governors had to meet with George and his regents to plead for money necessary to enact the new security and education policies that this administration has capriciously mandated. Bush's response? Sorry, can't help you guys; I squandered all the money the government had with my foolish, worthless tax cut. But at least we're about to kill Saddam, right?

nuff said

Posted by arj1o1 on Dec-11-2002 17:07:

bush he and the USA are everything, he is the boss and all others are slaves and have to follow him, and the weirdest is every country does because they have fear to be attacked by him, and all other country's follow the USA then because they don't want to get bombed either

Posted by biznology on Dec-11-2002 17:32:

quote:
Originally posted by arj1o1
bush he and the USA are everything, he is the boss and all others are slaves and have to follow him, and the weirdest is every country does because they have fear to be attacked by him, and all other country's follow the USA then because they don't want to get bombed either

he is not 'the boss' he is simply the figurehead, and one part of the 3 total branches of power in our govt. he has to answer to the judicial and congressional branches as well. just cause they arent comprised of one person doesnt mean they are less important. in fact they are often more important.

the republican sway that they have achieved is something worrisome tho|

Posted by @ddicted on Dec-11-2002 18:04:

quote:
Originally posted by arj1o1
and the weirdest is every country does because they have fear to be attacked by him, and all other country's follow the USA then because they don't want to get bombed either

Good point, I think 85% of the Dutch people is against a war in Irak. But the dutch government isn't, worried about the consequenses if the do not support America. (But I don't think it has something to do with bombs ..)

Posted by Izzy on Dec-12-2002 00:44:

oh come on guys, you give way to much credit to Bush, he does not posses total power, there are checks and balances built into the american government to achieve that. (as JP said)

Dr Me, come on are you seriously pissed off about the tax cut? if you took a little economic education you would see that it is a valid solution to the problem. at the time of the tax cuts, the ecomony was going down and more specifically people weren't spending enough (one measure that helps economy stay strong), and obvious solution would to give money to the people so that they would in turn spend it. and that money that he doesnt want to give to the states, well his priority was to pay for that expensive Homeland Secuirty bill, i guess he values secuirty more then economy. so yes i can see a valid reason where if someone thought the opposite then he should be angry, and so should cast a vote for someone else next election. (btw i am for the general idea of the homeland secuirty bill - there is far too much disorgination and beuracracy going on between the CIA, FBI, NSA, ISN, Border Patrol and all the rest of the orginizations there are supposed to protect the americans)

Bush wants a regime change in iraq, so do the majority of the american populace. Bush thinks that the best way to achieve this is through war, although that hasnt stopped him from going through the UN and trying other solutions.

now for my quarrels with Bush: mine are less on the economical and forgien matters but rather the social stuff. i hate how he flaunts religion and old conservitive philosphies around, i would also like to see a more public campaign to help out with environmental issues as well.

Posted by LiquidX on Dec-12-2002 21:34:

quote:
Originally posted by Izzy
oh come on guys, you give way to much credit to Bush, he does not posses total power, there are checks and balances built into the american government to achieve that. (as JP said)

Well, if you think about, Bush does have the powers NOW ! ( Republican ruled senate and house ) .. I mean, COME ON ! he can do whatever he wishes, his got the support.

Now, why I dont like BUSH ! ?
Well, this is my opinion .. because he is a total hypocrite. I dont like Bush, and I dont like his administration. They try to be Hard asses ( sorry ) .. but its just true. I'll start off by saying ( first ) that Bush its doing nothing to prevent Global Warming, even knowing that the USA its the biggest polutant on the worl, and Americans are the BIGGEST consumers of them all, we suck GAS like water, we eat like pigs, I mean come on, we are using all natural resources, using gas without even coming up with new ideas. European countries, and some on Asia ( developed ) are way ahead compared to the USA on this topic. And Bush, with no problem comes and gets out of the Kyoto treaty. Im aware of whats happening in this world, and remember that Global Warming will be one of the biggest topics ( if not allready ) in the future. Its a fact , not a theory ( as mentioned by G.BUSH ). We will be affected by Global Warming ( we are allready by the El Nino phenomenan, and yeees.. it is part of GB).

The other reason is, his brain made of wanting to go to war, come on ! I know we are in threat and everyting, but WAR represents only one thing.. EVIL ! . Osama Bin Ladin its a very smart guy, and maybe one of Osamas strategies was the USA going to War with IRAQ, involving as well ISRAEL, desastabilizing the whole friking region, killing many, making Osama happy. BUSH WANTS OOOOIL ! ! ! .. just go figure why CHENNEY was the SPARKY guy for the US to go to WAR .. the man owns OIL ! .
What the government has to do is find another resource that could replace OIL(fuel). There is the money to research on but theres to many interests behind, I wont blame Bush On this but the US gov't. We can get out of all the trouble. But I want to point out that BUSH would be the guy that wont even liste to you because of his interest for OIL. He wants IRAQ for that, and I think because of REVENGE as well.

Theres tooo many points, but I dont have that much time, I g2g ..
peace , and have a good day!

Posted by biznology on Dec-12-2002 22:42:

as for cutting taxes...im not sure if that is a viable solution to anything.

ever since the Reagan administration, Republican conservatives have been cutting taxes like nobody's business. the avg joe thinks this is awesome, cause less of his meager paycheck goes to the govt. what nobody realizes is that these taxes are being cut from social programs that benefit the whole of society(US).

you can spend more of your paycheck on alcohol and fast food, but those taxes would have gone to support the larger good - ideally - and made the health care joe would need for his slovenly American lifestyle cheaper, etc.

taxes are a bitch, but they make things EVERYONE needs cheaper and more accessible. that maybe socialist...but i think social welfare has a place in every society|

Posted by LiquidX on Dec-13-2002 21:44:

Posted by Izzy on Dec-13-2002 22:34:

quote:
Originally posted by biznology
as for cutting taxes...im not sure if that is a viable solution to anything.

ever since the Reagan administration, Republican conservatives have been cutting taxes like nobody's business. the avg joe thinks this is awesome, cause less of his meager paycheck goes to the govt. what nobody realizes is that these taxes are being cut from social programs that benefit the whole of society(US).

you can spend more of your paycheck on alcohol and fast food, but those taxes would have gone to support the larger good - ideally - and made the health care joe would need for his slovenly American lifestyle cheaper, etc.

taxes are a bitch, but they make things EVERYONE needs cheaper and more accessible. that maybe socialist...but i think social welfare has a place in every society|

you bring up a good point, but by giving people back their money (through tax cuts) you give them the choice of what to do with it. they could, as you said, waste it on alcohol and fast food, but others might 'waste' it on good private education for their kids. see instead of the government now choosing for you (government: "we want your money so we can give you schooling we think is good"), now you have the freedom of choosing what to do (you: "its my money and i will choose where my kid gets educated"). thats one of the downsides of socialism, you have less freedom in deciding what you can and cant do. (renegade thanks for you post in the freedom thread, the one about choice=freedom)

plus agian ill stress that this tax cut came about at the time of the worst ressicion the US has had for like that past 12 years or something, so it kinda was really needed. i mean in taxing its common sense you just cant tax up and up and up. you tax higher when the economy is growing and people have lots of money to throw around but you lower taxes when the economy is going downards and people arent willing to spend as much. keeping taxes a dead steady rate is also pretty bad cause then you dont do anything to stop those damn up and down business cycles. in my opinion its better to have a slow steady rise in economy rather then a choatic rollercoaster ride