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Posted by Wanderer on Dec-12-2002 11:36:

Fruity Loops: Playlist, Mixing....

Hi Everyone!

Greetings from London, where the weather is so cold that a snot rocket can be turned instantly into a lethal weapon!

I write psychedelic trance using Fruity Loops 3.5 and my only problem with it is that the playlist is so rubbish! Is there a program that I can export my loops into which will allow me more freedom to change volume, fade in, etc in the playlist? Also, I need to be able to see all of the loops and the fruity loops playlist will only display about 30 until you have to scroll down and you can't adjust the magnification!! Grrr... Its so annoying!

Anyone have any tips?

Posted by ms_bug on Dec-12-2002 14:16:

well you can try to export all of the sound from FRUITY to wav and then import them into ACID i guess...

Posted by Wanderer on Dec-12-2002 15:32:

That sounds workable.... What is ACID? Will the quality remain as high if I do that?

Posted by Acid Circus on Dec-12-2002 17:41:

ACID is a sequencer and it would fit most of your needs. The only problem is quality does drop a slight, and if you have nice reverb/delay effects on your loop you lose that little aftermath when the loop finishes. just remember to wrap your loops, that is anything that was at the end of your loop is placed at the beginning of the loop so that it doesn't sound stop starty (hard to explain).

Posted by Flotser on Dec-12-2002 21:10:

Re: Fruity Loops: Playlist, Mixing....

quote:
Originally posted by Wanderer
Hi Everyone!

Greetings from London, where the weather is so cold that a snot rocket can be turned instantly into a lethal weapon!

I write psychedelic trance using Fruity Loops 3.5 and my only problem with it is that the playlist is so rubbish! Is there a program that I can export my loops into which will allow me more freedom to change volume, fade in, etc in the playlist? Also, I need to be able to see all of the loops and the fruity loops playlist will only display about 30 until you have to scroll down and you can't adjust the magnification!! Grrr... Its so annoying!

Anyone have any tips?

Cool I also try to make psytance with fruity, would realy like to hear some of your work...
and about the fade in and out.... its not such a big problem, you just need to do this with the "Main Automation" Channel if i understood your problem.

Posted by Vortex_SA on Dec-12-2002 23:20:

Re: Re: Fruity Loops: Playlist, Mixing....

quote:
Originally posted by Flotser
Cool I also try to make psytance with fruity, would realy like to hear some of your work...
and about the fade in and out.... its not such a big problem, you just need to do this with the "Main Automation" Channel if i understood your problem.

u can do it with any pattern actually... and fruity does have an annoying system of arrangement, they should have done something like logic, or cubase, even the arranging in reason is better...

Posted by arctic on Dec-12-2002 23:47:

all the playlist problems, and the lack of a mixer will be fixed in fruity 4.0, which is nearing release....i have seen some screen shots, it looks AWESOME, it is a massive step forward for fruity.

Posted by Wanderer on Dec-13-2002 09:09:

Thanks for all the advice guys!

Flotser -

I never really figured out what the main automation channel was for! I'm terrible at reading manuals and help files!

You can download some of my tunes on

http://www.Amazon.com/music

Choose "Free Downloads" on the navigation bar and then search for "Psy Schwanz". I'd appreciate any feedback!

Bye for now!

Posted by Flotser on Dec-13-2002 11:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Wanderer
Thanks for all the advice guys!

Flotser -

I never really figured out what the main automation channel was for! I'm terrible at reading manuals and help files!

What I know about the automation channel that it is running thougth all your song, and not just for 16 bars (or what you choose in the Song Settings). its important cause if you will try to record volume changes in a normal pattern it will stop recording when the pattern ends.
So for exaple you have 3xOSC channel with a short loop, that you want to repeat itself but constantly raise it's volume? so you paste the desired pattern several times in your playlist and then you go to the main automation channel, click the record button, and then while the song is playing you can play with the volume of your 3xOSC and all will be recorded. (you can click on right mouse bottun on tne volume thingy of the channel, and choose: edit events..you'll see there)...

Posted by Wanderer on Dec-13-2002 11:31:

Thanks for that info, I'll definately be putting it to good use!

I see you're an Infected Mushroom fan! Me too - they're amazing! I used their kickdrum sound from their website on some of my tunes! There is a great tutorial on there for how to get the infected mushroom kickdrum sound! www.infected.co.il

Thankls again and let me know what you think of my tunes, I'd gretaly appreciate any tips or criticisms!

Posted by Flotser on Dec-13-2002 11:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Wanderer
Thanks for that info, I'll definately be putting it to good use!

I see you're an Infected Mushroom fan! Me too - they're amazing! I used their kickdrum sound from their website on some of my tunes! There is a great tutorial on there for how to get the infected mushroom kickdrum sound! www.infected.co.il

Thankls again and let me know what you think of my tunes, I'd gretaly appreciate any tips or criticisms!

Yea I used the IM drum sample too, still had no time to read the tutorial of making it though

and I tried to listen to your tracks, but i got only a very short sample. anotehr track asked me to register to Amazon...so maybe i'll check it later.

cya!

p.s. I'm not just a fan of Infected Mushroom - In my opinion they are simply the best musicins today. I just can't wait fro their next album, it's about to be released in February 2003...!!!!

Posted by Wanderer on Dec-13-2002 11:45:

Same here - for me they represent the absolute pinnacle of Psychedelic Trance! I can't wait for the new album!!!! All hail InfeCted MusHRoOM!

Posted by DJMikeyP on Dec-17-2002 23:52:

Actually guys -

The Main Automation channel is ok, but not after you start deleting and inserting bars (with the insert/delete buttons).

This is a much better way:

Lets say you're still talking about your 3OSC line that repeats every bar, but slowly slowly rises. What I do is decide how many bars its going to take to rise, like lets say 16 bars (thats usually long enough but it doesn't matter).

What i'll do is select a blank pattern and name it "*3OSC VOL Rise" (I use * to remind me its an automation channel only). Then I fill in the square so it starts right when the first 3OSC starts, but never again. Kind of like this:

* (*3OSC VOL Rise)
**************** (3OSC)

then I have the whole 16 bars to automate, draw, etc. It will still acomplish what I want, only now if I start jacking with the construction/timing of the song, the volume rise can easily be moved just with the *3OSC VOL Rise pattern. Plus, if I want to do the same thing later on in the song, all I have to do is fill in that square again.

If anyone doesn't understand, ICQ me and I'll get you a sample file.

Mike

Posted by DJMikeyP on Dec-17-2002 23:57:

OH just another thought -

I use these automation channels for just about everything:

I have channels like *Saw Lead Panner, *Saw Lead Center Pan, *NoiseFastLFODrop, *3OSC #1 Coarseto+24, etc.

Posted by Wanderer on Dec-18-2002 09:00:

Very cool, I will try that today when I get home... thanks for the advice! I am in the process of remixing my tunes at the moment, so this will come in very useful!

Thanks for all the responses and info!

Posted by Treo on Dec-18-2002 10:36:

Thats a very good tip DJMikeyP. thanx

-Treo-

Posted by Wanderer on Dec-19-2002 09:53:

Hi!

Used that technique yesterday whilst remixing one of my tunes... Superb! Just what I was looking for! Thanks a lot for the tips, they have given me some great new ideas!

Posted by Flotser on Dec-19-2002 11:13:

quote:
Originally posted by DJMikeyP
Actually guys -

The Main Automation channel is ok, but not after you start deleting and inserting bars (with the insert/delete buttons).

This is a much better way:

Lets say you're still talking about your 3OSC line that repeats every bar, but slowly slowly rises. What I do is decide how many bars its going to take to rise, like lets say 16 bars (thats usually long enough but it doesn't matter).

What i'll do is select a blank pattern and name it "*3OSC VOL Rise" (I use * to remind me its an automation channel only). Then I fill in the square so it starts right when the first 3OSC starts, but never again. Kind of like this:

* (*3OSC VOL Rise)
**************** (3OSC)

then I have the whole 16 bars to automate, draw, etc. It will still acomplish what I want, only now if I start jacking with the construction/timing of the song, the volume rise can easily be moved just with the *3OSC VOL Rise pattern. Plus, if I want to do the same thing later on in the song, all I have to do is fill in that square again.

If anyone doesn't understand, ICQ me and I'll get you a sample file.

Mike

Yep!
thanx for the tip!

Posted by DJMikeyP on Dec-22-2002 10:36:

No problem - get me your fruityzip file or a lo-fi mp3 so I can hear what you were able to do !!! Happy hunting

Mike