Backwards vocals ala James Holden - Nothing (Mix 2)

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Posted by Sean Walsh on Dec-17-2002 08:22:

Backwards vocals ala James Holden - Nothing (Mix 2)

Anyone want to take a guess as to what James Holden did in the 93 returning mix of nothing to reverse the vocals but keep the melody of the song the same?

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Dec-17-2002 08:24:

I don't think they are reversed - just cut up and shuffled around...

Posted by Fatboy on Dec-17-2002 16:38:

I don't know excactly what he does, but it sounds fucking amazing. He definitely cuts it up with something, lots of delay, and some strange effects on top perhaps.

Posted by danceaddict on Dec-17-2002 19:28:

maybe he just hit the random knob hehe
Dunno m8 it sounds great though

Posted by Vortex_SA on Dec-17-2002 22:17:

Re: Backwards vocals ala James Holden - Nothing (Mix 2)

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Originally posted by dj-sean
Anyone want to take a guess as to what James Holden did in the 93 returning mix of nothing to reverse the vocals but keep the melody of the song the same?

i belive it is made with logic or cubase, the idea is to reverse the whole vocal, or cutting the vocals by measures (quarters, halves, etc...) and then u move them like, when u have the words "the sound" in singing, u play with it (but sticking to the original sound of the words...), and then u can make it go like "eht nousd", and then if u want to create a james holden touch u change the velocity of some verbs according to the beats...

"eht noust"

Posted by Mr.Mystery on Dec-18-2002 10:09:

Re: Re: Backwards vocals ala James Holden - Nothing (Mix 2)

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA
i belive it is made with logic or cubase, the idea is to reverse the whole vocal, or cutting the vocals by measures (quarters, halves, etc...) and then u move them like, when u have the words "the sound" in singing, u play with it (but sticking to the original sound of the words...), and then u can make it go like "eht nousd", and then if u want to create a james holden touch u change the velocity of some verbs according to the beats...

"eht noust"

Needless to say that that's *ahem* quite a long and slow process...

Posted by Vortex_SA on Dec-18-2002 17:24:

Re: Re: Re: Backwards vocals ala James Holden - Nothing (Mix 2)

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Needless to say that that's *ahem* quite a long and slow process...

wellllllllllllll thats the point, making a good fx takes time...

Posted by fr0st on Dec-18-2002 17:46:

James holden is a master and to me it sounds like a stutter edit the same type of edits bt uses and a lot of nuskool breaks do it to vocals.

Posted by Michael Russo on Dec-18-2002 17:55:

Re: Re: Backwards vocals ala James Holden - Nothing (Mix 2)

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Originally posted by Vortex_SA
i belive it is made with logic or cubase

hahaha! try buzz

Posted by Vortex_SA on Dec-18-2002 18:53:

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Originally posted by Michael Russo
hahaha! try buzz

nah, dont think so, its really hard doing it with buzz, but maybe he did...

Posted by quddha on Dec-18-2002 22:45:

James holden is a buzz-master. There's tons of machines, i'm sure one of them would do the trick. I'm not familiar with the song myself, so I couldn't tell you how. I'd think it be easier to do it in buzz than in logic or cubase? :P logic/cubase are just sequencers...

Posted by Sean Walsh on Dec-20-2002 23:01:

There's certainly no one machine in buzz that could do it, he obviously chopped the vocals in an external audio editing program. Once he put them together the way he did though, the effects on them were all done in buzz, or at least that's how it sounds, hehe.

Posted by Vortex_SA on Dec-21-2002 12:09:

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Originally posted by quddha
James holden is a buzz-master. There's tons of machines, i'm sure one of them would do the trick. I'm not familiar with the song myself, so I couldn't tell you how. I'd think it be easier to do it in buzz than in logic or cubase? :P logic/cubase are just sequencers...

logic is also one hell of a sampling prog, listen to dj isaak, and hybrid and bt...
i think its easier in logic, cos u actually see the sample in ur eyes and can snap it to the beat in buzz i think that u should put parameters to it?

Posted by Floorfiller on Dec-23-2002 20:43:

an easy way to perhaps create a similar effect would be to go into sound forge and use the gapper process. play around with that and then you can rearrange.

Posted by DJMikeyP on Dec-24-2002 00:31:

Hey guys - sorry if I'm way off but I haven't heard this song yet, however I did a thing back in highschool when I was into twisted grunge music....If you're looking just to have someone sing the regular melody, but have their lips sound like they're talking backwords, here is the answer:

What I basically did, is record myself singing the vocals as I normally would, against the music, trying to be 100% as clear as I could pronouncing the words. I then reversed the song completely and used it to sing against (in my headphones) while I recorded another vocal line completely.

For this second vocal line, all I did was try and imitate the backwords sounds I was hearing from the reversed track as best I could. Once I got it right, I reversed the new track, which left me with a track where I sang the right melody and words, but made me sound kind of weird, like reversed - get it?

I guess you could also just have a piano play the melody, reverse it, sing against it normally, then reverse if you wanted yourself to sound totally reversed.

Let me know if this helped any.

Mike

Posted by roysoro1515 on Dec-25-2002 20:45:

kinda sounds like it could have been made with buzz... but no matter what that song kicks major ass