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See much OGG these days?

Do the release groups (POW etc.) ever churn out the new promos and so on in .OGG format? I'd like to build up my collection of OGGs and it's difficult to find many around these days...


Inspiration: Just found this slashdot article concerning Fraunhofer's royalty charges on mp3 decoders as well as encoders.

what the hell is an OGG?

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare what the hell is an OGG?

I heard they're smaller(in file size) compred to Mp3s. That's all i'v heard.

Will they play in winamp?

Yeah.1 think about ogg format tunes is that they would not pause for a split second if u fasty forward compared to mp3

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Originally posted by undertensecond Yeah.1 think about ogg format tunes is that they would not pause for a split second if u fasty forward compared to mp3

Um... what?

ogg is just another compression of music files, i think they are smaller than mp3s and have better quality i believe, there was anotehr thread about this, think they said 128kbit is equal to 256kbit in mp3

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Originally posted by liquidxxd ogg is just another compression of music files, i think they are smaller than mp3s and have better quality i believe, there was anotehr thread about this, think they said 128kbit is equal to 256kbit in mp3

Yes, that's right.
Unfortunately mp3 is so widely spread that it will take years for ogg to catch on... if ever...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Yes, that's right. Unfortunately mp3 is so widely spread that it will take years for ogg to catch on... if ever...

very true, mp3 is the standard now
it was just like when they had portable cd players and mini disc came out, mini disc never really got all that big because most stuff was out on cd, and it just never caught on, ogg might never catch on, unless the riaa does something with mp3s

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Originally posted by InfiniteSquare what the hell is an OGG?

A search on google for "ogg" reveals everything you need to know, but let me save you time:

.OGG files are compressed audio files, similar to mp3, but are a superior technology. The codec itself has the full name "Ogg Vorbis". At higher bitrates (>64kbps) they greatly outperform MP3 and WMA in terms of sound quality. It is also an open source project, meaning there will never be any royalties to write an application capable of encoding or decoding such files (not true with MP3, see this article for more information.

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think about ogg format tunes is that they would not pause for a split second if u fasty forward compared to mp3

Erm no.. there are absolutely no defects in OGG Vorbis playback. Any problems like the one you mentioned are a defect in the media player you are using, not the OGG format.

See their website for more info about OGG.

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Will they play in winamp?

Yes, they play in WinAmp.

My Opinion

If you rip any tunes from CD or whatever source, I recommend you rip and encode them to the OGG file format rather than MP3. Not only is it a better technology that is supported by nearly all good media players, but it is completely free to use and won't suffer any of the problems that MP3 will do soon in the future (royalty payments etc.)... For your average law-abiding consumer, it may be fine to stick with MP3, but for those that are serious about audio, then you should consider this format as the next big thing.

Too bad my mp3/cdplayer doesn't support .ogg

From the Vorbis FAQ:

What software and hardware support Ogg Vorbis?

Ogg Vorbis encoding and/or playback is now native in a wide variety of popular software. It's included in popular players such as WinAmp, Sonique, FreeAmp for Windows, and Unsanity Echo for MacOS. It's also supported in popular audio applications such as CDex, Siren Jukebox, and GoldWave. For a more complete list, refer to our software page. Ogg Vorbis is not supported by any publicly-available hardware yet, but portable playback is possible for Sharp Zaurus owners by purchasing tkcPlayer software from TheKompany.

I reckon that hardware MP3 players will no longer be made as enthusiastically as before, and we'll start seeing some Vorbis players come around pretty soon... It's perfectly possible for hardware Vorbis players to support the format without even letting the consumer know about it Go Vorbis, yay.

OGG will never catch on...at least for the next few years.

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Originally posted by CygnusX Too bad my mp3/cdplayer doesn't support .ogg

there is alway a firmware upgrade for your MP3 player to support OGG

shit...i had to contact Starfox just to get an update on what the hell ogg was.

ogg = joke imo

>JM<

if only thete was an mp3 to ogg converter

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Originally posted by Dumonde Trancer if only thete was an mp3 to ogg converter

It is possible to do this with "ogglame --mp3input", but apparently it's not worth the effort:

You can convert any audio format to Ogg Vorbis. However, converting from one lossy format, like MP3, to another lossy format, like Vorbis, is generally a bad idea. Both MP3 and Vorbis encoders achieve high compression ratios by throwing away parts of the audio waveform that you probably won't hear. However, the MP3 and Vorbis codecs are very different, so they each will throw away different parts of the audio, although there certainly is some overlap. Converting a MP3 to Vorbis involves decoding the MP3 file back to an uncompressed format, like WAV, and recompressing it using the Ogg Vorbis encoder. The decoded MP3 will be missing the parts of the original audio that the MP3 encoder chose to discard. The Ogg Vorbis encoder will then discard other audio components when it compresses the data. At best, the result will be an Ogg file that sounds the same as your original MP3, but it is most likely that the resulting file will sound worse than your original MP3. In no case will you get a file that sounds better than the original MP3.

Since many music players can play both MP3 and Ogg files, there is no reason that you should have to switch all of your files to one format or the other. If you like Ogg Vorbis, then we would encourage you to use it when you encode from original, lossless audio sources (like CDs). When encoding from originals, you will find that you can make Ogg files that are both smaller and better quality than MP3.

Source: http://www.vorbis.com/faq.psp#transcode

nice one, i will record some of my CD singles to ogg to try it out

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Originally posted by JM shit...i had to contact Starfox just to get an update on what the hell ogg was. ogg = joke imo >JM<

cuase fox is a ignorant whore...i know cuase i tried ogg and its sooo much better than mp3...

but OGG doesnt fucking work with WINAMP as everyone says .. and if I have to download an update or something, let me FUCKING KNOW ! ( sorry IM mad cause I READ that Winamp would play it, without further explanation ) . Now, IM too lazy to go and do a 30 min research on the net, and look for some Winamp thingy to support OGG. Dont have that much time, so Id like to know whats up with this ?

THANK YOU !

i got a winamp plug-in to make winamp play ogg files

or better yet...DL winamp 2.81 ...it works with ogg.

Alright well I guess I'll have to be the official TA authority on OGG Vorbis since a good chunk of my music collection is ogg.

Ogg vorbis is a next generation, open source, audio format. It provides superior compression to mp3 and yields far better audio quality. It is natively supported in all recent versions of winamp and the open source audio player "zinf" as well as many other lesser known audio players.

Basically when encoding to ogg you have some options, either make the filesize about the same as an mp3 of the same length of time (when ripping from cd) and get a MUCH better sounding file, or if you're like me and 192 kbps mp3's take up a bit too much space sometimes, you can encode them to a smaller size and have no loss in quality.

Now first off I will recommend that if you want to convert mp3 to ogg that you do NOT convert anything less than 160 kbps from mp3 to ogg. I have found that the conversion of a 128 kbps mp3 to ogg can result in the sound cutting out from the right channel. Secondly, I would HIGHLY recommend a program called audio conversion wizard, I believe created by a company called litex media. You can do batch encodes from MP3 to OGG and it does a wonderful job. (Just make sure to *UN-CHECK* the write id3 tag)

I would recommend ripping from cd or converting from 192 kbps mp3 into an ogg with a quality value of 4 (Ogg quality is selected as a "quality" value out of 10, with a 128 kbps mp3 being comparable to a quality value of somewhere around 3 or 2.5 ;-) This quality level yields GREAT sound from cd's and good compression rates over existing mp3's.

Why choose ogg over your standard mp3's? Well if you just don't seem to have enough space for loads of decent quality tunes, there's a definite advantage to switching to ogg. Convering 192 kbps mp3's to ogg, and especially ripping directly from cd to wav then compressing to ogg (using a program like Exact Audio Copy, www.exactaudiocopy.de ) results in not only a smaller file, but in the case of ripping from cd, a much cleaner sounding file.

Also, ogg IS catching on, because it has no licensing fees and it's superior quality to WMA, and mp3PRO. If you'd like to hear ogg stuff just hop onto EMC and drop me a line as to my recommendations ;-)

If you've got any questions feel free to ask me I can probably help you out if you're really interested ;-)

just download the DBPowerAmp Music Converter @ www.dbpoweramp.com and get the .ogg-codec
it's just that simple

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Originally posted by LiquidX but OGG doesnt fucking work with WINAMP as everyone says

All versions of WinAmp beyond 2.80 support OGG Vorbis fully. So don't moan and just download an update.


Could somebody who is in the know please post a list of some of the best OGG Vorbis encoders and mp3->ogg converters for the general public to admire please? Thank you.

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Originally posted by mr_smidge All versions of WinAmp beyond 2.80 support OGG Vorbis fully. So don't moan and just download an update. Could somebody who is in the know please post a list of some of the best OGG Vorbis encoders and mp3->ogg converters for the general public to admire please? Thank you.

OKis

But, this thing was never mentioned. For those that have Mp3 players, or , Mp3 CD Players ( the ones that play the DATA CD's full of Mp3's ) .. the Ogg files wont be compatible with this nor work ! ? and what about burning to a CD as an AUDIO ? mmmmmmm ?

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