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Posted by VoiDeT on Dec-26-2002 01:06:

Vestax 275's! Problem?

Hey,
Some of you may remember i had a pcv 175 which i found out had a standard dip in the middle with the cross-fader, and the kill switches made a pop noise. Well i am considering the model up from the 175 the 275. I am curious as to whether the 275 has the same problems as the 175. Like the dip in the middle of the cross fader and the crappy kill switches. If anyone has any good or bad experiences with the 275 then can you please tell me. And also can you help me out with if the 275 has the above faults! i am seriously thinking about getting the 275.

Posted by JohnSmith on Dec-26-2002 02:02:

i have a 275 and i love it. apparently, it has a dip in the center, but if so, it's very faint, and most mixers have this.

as for the kill switches, mine sound very good. there is a slight *pop* but it's barely noticeable, especially if you time it right.

Posted by VoiDeT on Dec-26-2002 23:25:

Just out of curiosity why did they make a dip in the center? I think it would be better without the dip in the center. But you say it isnt much? barely noticable?

Posted by Luke Terry on Dec-26-2002 23:38:

all vestax mixers have the dip, its meant to make mixing smoother so the volume remains constant because when u mix 2 tracks playing at once is obviously gonna be louder than 1, even with loads of eq work. vestax mixers are designed for electronic music such as trance and house and this is why they devised this special fader, which also lasts much longer than most faders, not that i use my fader on my djm-600s hehehehe the kills make almost no noise compared to the 1175, but i recommend you try the stanton rm-3 which is also cheaper and has none of the above "problems"

Posted by JohnSmith on Dec-27-2002 02:27:

I and most TAs would disagree with you on the stanton RM3. I've heard very bad things about it, and i think the vestax PCV 275 is way better.

then again, i have never used the RM3, so my opinion doesn't mean much!

Posted by Luke Terry on Dec-27-2002 11:16:

quote:
Originally posted by JohnSmith
I and most TAs would disagree with you on the stanton RM3. I've heard very bad things about it, and i think the vestax PCV 275 is way better.

then again, i have never used the RM3, so my opinion doesn't mean much!

well i've had both and i can honestly say they are both rather crap lol. the rm3 is the cheapest and is also the most resiliant, but my bass eq broke on it lol, but by 175, 2 faders broke and the faceplate paint comes streaming off if u so much blow on it. but the stanton maes far less crappy noise like the vestax's click + pop, and it doesn't have the dip in the fader, so imo its better value for money as it may give a more wet sound quality but doesn't give off a load of other crap. and i know wicked neo has lived by his until his recent purchase of a djm like me, and he never thought bad of the rm3, and i thought it was rather a nifty little mixer, although the colour is a bit off-putting.

Posted by JohnSmith on Dec-27-2002 11:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Project T
but by 175, 2 faders broke and the faceplate paint comes streaming off if u so much blow on it.

that's the 175, the 275 is much better. honestly, i can't hear the dip at all, and everything feels very durable on this mixer.

but, to each his own i suppose, and i'd rather have your DJM600!

Posted by dj_ray_c on Dec-28-2002 17:06:

Ive got a 275 and love it. Nice sound, Clean Crisp EQ's.

I dnt like the 'dip' but its avoidable if you know what ur doing.

I really cant see the point in spending 600 quid on a DJM when u can have one of these for half the price. At the end of your day its only your bedroom. And for commercial purposes get the Allen n Heath one!

Posted by Luke Terry on Dec-28-2002 17:42:

quote:
Originally posted by dj_ray_c
Ive got a 275 and love it. Nice sound, Clean Crisp EQ's.

I dnt like the 'dip' but its avoidable if you know what ur doing.

I really cant see the point in spending 600 quid on a DJM when u can have one of these for half the price. At the end of your day its only your bedroom. And for commercial purposes get the Allen n Heath one!

i dunno like, once u have the djm sitting there would u wanna go back? lol

+ nowadays most clubs either have the DJM or the big beefy vestax thats about �800

Posted by VoiDeT on Dec-28-2002 22:55:

Hey again,
I dont think i will be buying vestax again. That dip really annoys me. Plus the 275 isnt much cheaper over here than the djm 500. Only about $250 seperating the two! Australian $$$$$. So i am gonna get the DJM 500. Not that it matters to you guys but ohh well

Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Jan-03-2003 19:30:

heck why not just pick up a used DJM-500?

Posted by tamtui on Jan-03-2003 20:28:

If I had $250.00 and no mixer then...

I've used the vestax 175 and 275 and just think that other than the third channel fader which I wouldn't use cause I mix with 2 turntables I would rather get the Vestax pmc-250 or pmc-25 (optional rotaries).

I can tell you that the sound of the pmc-250 is much better than the other two vestax and I might ad better than the DJM-600.

As far as EQ's this is the one you should get if you like to cut frequencys. Why's just take a look the little faders have a full cut on them and the big rotary knobs are for fine adjustments.

The beefy sound that you can produce with this mixer will shine on your recorded mixes. You cannot achieve this sound on the 275.

I would recommend this mixer as an entry level mixer to anyone because it teaches the art of the EQ like no other mixer.

Peace Guys

Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Jan-03-2003 20:37:

nice looking little box.. wouldnt mind playing with one.

Posted by Dmatrox on Jan-03-2003 21:14:

i have the vestax pmc270a, no problems, good mixer. What is the dip you people are talking about?

I wish i went for the pioneer 500 with 4 channel, since it would help with 2 TT and 2 CDjs.

Posted by VoiDeT on Jan-03-2003 22:35:

The Dip we are talking about it in the cross fader. Try doing this. Mix two records, get the perfectly sync'd. While the cross fader is to one side turn up both of the channel faders. now bring the cross fader into the middle. Leave it sitting there a bit and dont touch and volumes or eq's. Now take the cross fader quickly to the other side, (the one you didnt have it on before:stongue. You should hear the sound get louder than it was in the middle. That is the dip. AND I HATE IT! annoyed me sooo much..

Posted by DJ Chrono on Jan-03-2003 23:55:

you can always mix with the volume sliders, and leave the x-fader in the middle. it produces a smoother mix anyways

Posted by CrackedLcd on Jan-04-2003 08:43:

I spin trance, elctro and hip hop....Trance is the only thing I use the volume faders with...since I wanna have it sounding smooth...Hip hop and elctro can sound choppy to a certein point...

Posted by VoiDeT on Jan-04-2003 09:03:

Yeah true. But i find that sometimes trance needs a bit of quick cuts and change overs. Mabye because i spin harder trance. But certainly progressive trance you need the smooth faders

Posted by Tsunami One on Jan-05-2003 11:19:

spend the extra $100 or so and get the djm 600. It will be worth it.
for bedroom dj'n sure u dont need the ritz but spending a extra $200 and u wont have to replace the mixer for 10 years,

Posted by burns on Jan-05-2003 11:33:

I got this mixer too, Due to its dip i dont use the fader, i also dislkie the way its so delecate. If you tap the fader it flies to the end of the road and takes the full song out, i would rather it be a bit more stiff !

Not really a mint mixer but will do i suppose

Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Jan-05-2003 11:45:

I hav the 275. I love it. Apart from the djm500 and 600 i couldnt choose another mixer. I guess i never really noticed the dip coz i like to mix more aggressively, and the way to do this is leave the x-fader in the middle and use the volume faders instead

Posted by VoiDeT on Jan-05-2003 11:48:

Hey,
I think the DJM 500 will do me fine!
Don't see much point in spending alot more on a 600 when most of the features i wont even use. And there is quite a difference in price as i can get the 500 alot cheaper than i can the 600, $1450 AU for the djm 500. Brand new

Posted by MERiDiAN5i2 on Jan-06-2003 03:00:

quote:
Originally posted by VoiDeT Now take the cross fader quickly to the other side, (the one you didnt have it on before). You should hear the sound get louder than it was in the middle. That is the dip. AND I HATE IT! annoyed me sooo much..

pretty much every mixer that doesnt have a curve adjustment or "scratch mode" has this pesky dip.

if you are familiar with it, it can be of benefit, actually... depends on your mixing style though. doesnt do me any good.

personally i prefer to mix on the levels, or with a fader in scratch mode... or more often, a combo of both these methods.

Posted by Luke Terry on Jan-06-2003 10:26:

quote:
Originally posted by burns
I got this mixer too, Due to its dip i dont use the fader, i also dislkie the way its so delecate. If you tap the fader it flies to the end of the road and takes the full song out, i would rather it be a bit more stiff !

Not really a mint mixer but will do i suppose

all decent mixers have slippy as fuck x-faders, even the channel faders on my djm are slippy as

Posted by VoiDeT on Jan-06-2003 10:47:

I kinda like the feel of slippery faders but. Get where you want faster. I have a POS mixer at the moment, and the cross fader is like impossible to move as fast as the cross fader on the 175. Thats one thing i like about the 175, apart from the DAMN DIP IN THE X-FADER!!!