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What makes a track "cheesy"?
As I'm reading threads here, I find myself wondering what makes a track "cheesy". I think I understand in that maybe "cheesey" tracks have very simple beats/not many layers of sound, but I always wonder.
I am a fan of uplifting/vocal trance, but I'm somewhat afraid of discussing some tracks I really like for fear of being flamed and being because of their being "cheesy".
Some of my fav tracks ATM that I am wondering about:
Lustral - Broken (Way out West Mix)
Aurora - Ordinary World (Above and Beyond Mix)
Lange f Skye - Drifting Away
Would these be "cheesy"?
I'd really appreciate if someone could help me get a better understanding of this idea. I tend to listen to what I like, I don't really care whether it's cheesy or not...
i dont really consider a track cheese unless i hear it on the radio top 10 or something
mostly songs with a catchy beat with vocals like
ian van dahl
deedee
alice deejay
dj sammy
stuff like that
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btw i dont consider those tracks you listened cheesy
for some people it seems to be every track that's not good is cheesy
I think everyone has their own opinion of what is cheesy and what isnt because not everyone listens to the same music. So there are alot of diferent opinions!So whatever workd for u, just because others call it cheesey it doesnt always mean it is!
everyone who thinks that Lange-Drifting Away is cheese needs to have his/her ears examined! "Cheese" is not objective, i even saw someone in the forums claiming flight 643 was cheese ffs!what about peran van dijk-good time? do u think it's cheese?i loved it first time i heard it!peace. 
Like the others have said, people have different ideas of 'cheesy'...to me, cheesy is a track which is extremely predictable, has few layers and just overall has that sound to it that makes me cringe - especially soppy vocals
As for those tunes you mentioned, Lustral - Broken (Way out West Mix) is definetly not cheese in my mind. Haven't heard the other two tho.
From a personal point of view.
There's no strict definition of what is "cheesy" really. In my opinion it's a word that is used to describe a track that is blatantly unoriginal and very formulaic or one that is poorly constructed. Which is why it often gets confused by people as anything that's mainstream, because most electronic music that gets high up in the charts or is strictly aimed to sell and nothing more, it is usually a very derivitive piece that has usually a somewhat catchy melody or a vocal hook. Having an open mind, if a track which has the aforementioned flaws happens to catch my attention and I like it then I will listen to it regardless of what other people say, and no matter how predictable it may be. If there's some "cheese" which I like, it usually has a sweet vocal to it and since I love vocals in my music much of the time it helps me overshadow what is technically wrong with the track. Of course there are tracks which are technically excellent which I just don't like and as I just stated there are tracks which are technically very unoriginal which I do like. So yes, there's "cheese" I like, and there's "cheese" I don't like.
"Cheese" I like:
Milk Inc
Lasgo
Peter Luts
and more...
"Cheese" I hate:
Too many tracks to list but Drunkenmunky and Jan Wayne is enough for me to even think about right now 
. I tend not to dig "cheesy" instrumental tracks at all. Anything by Svenson & Gielen, I can't stand at all.
Of course the "cheesy trance" I like will never be my favourite style. My favourites lie in The Space Brothers, Andy Ling, Evolution, Breeder, Max Graham, Humate, Qattara, Amethyst, Art Of Trance, Sunday Club and much more.
So basically, if people call tunes you like "cheese" then don't let that bother you. I see people calling tunes I like "cheese" all the time in this forum but I ignore them because that's their opinion, I have mine.
Hope that made sense, and hope I helped you.
Cheesy is anything that tries too hard to be something it isn't. There's a Brazilian DJ who I consider the master of cheese: DJ David. He's not popular (thank God), but I got to listen to one of his mix-tapes. He was mixing pop music and really wanted it to become "techno", so he added SEVERAL shouts, yays, boeings, ka-pews with the most stupid breakbeat I've ever heard in my whole life. Made me wonder what I had done to deserve such punishment
Cheesy is anything exaggerated (which includes extreme commercial appeal).
Among the tunes you listed, the only cheese one would be: Aurora - Ordinary World. It's a nice tune, but the commercial appeal here is obvious.
Cheese = Happy sounding melodies
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| Originally posted by robstar Cheese = Happy sounding melodies |
Seems like anyone that listens to solely progressive thinks uplifting is cheese. 
And I agree that cheese is when you hear it on the pop radio stations.
No! Most uplifting songs does not sound "HAPPY"
When I say Happy , I mean melodys that goes like this:
Na na naaa la di daaaaa! heh...
Melodies that has no emotional features, melodies that u can predict what the next note is going to sound like.
That's cheese!
Uplifting doesn't sound happy to me, it sounds emotional!
If everyone has a different definition of cheese then it is indefinable, instead of calling something "cheese" you should say what is wrong with it, predictable, happy, commercial, whatever�
Otherwise what's the point in calling a track cheese when everyone else has a different definition.
everyone is entitled to their own opinion, just listen to the music which makes you feel good and hey if gets played on the radio alot it means your not the only individual who enjoys it.
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| Originally posted by robstar No! Most uplifting songs does not sound "HAPPY" When I say Happy , I mean melodys that goes like this: Na na naaa la di daaaaa! heh... Melodies that has no emotional features, melodies that u can predict what the next note is going to sound like. That's cheese! Uplifting doesn't sound happy to me, it sounds emotional! |
"Cheesy" is just a tool used by a hater to label the musik that he/she doesnt likes. It's meaningless.
Listen to whatever you like, listen to Alice Deejay or fucking Spice Girls for all you care, who gives a shit. Why are you scared of being flamed for liking something that you like?
It doesn't matter
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| i dont really consider a track cheese unless i hear it on the radio top 10 or something |
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| Cheese = Happy sounding melodies |
Simple baseline, simple and cheap melody, formulaic loops, and just a cheap sound overall.
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| Originally posted by Nicke for some people it seems to be every track that's not good is cheesy |
Cheap, predictable and blatently rushed production probably with some really high pitched vocals about love or something stuck over the melody. If these vocals were removed you would be left with something even a 12 year old wouldn't listen too.
The video probably contains loads of shots of either a) someone chasing somebody, b) small group of people dancing or c) group of mates getting ready to go out.
Just my opinion of course
Too many simple vocals
PMSL @ 'happy melody = cheese'
So fluticht/dumonde's tracks are cheese then.
So For an Angel is cheese????
Orion - Eternity, Rank 1 - Awakening and NU NRG - Dreamland... all cheese...?
Nah, I think you got it wrong 
Re: What makes a track "cheesy"?
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| Originally posted by Sundevil Some of my fav tracks ATM that I am wondering about : Lustral - Broken (Way out West Mix) Aurora - Ordinary World (Above and Beyond Mix) Lange f Skye - Drifting Away |
Re: What makes a track "cheesy"?
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| Originally posted by Sundevil As I'm reading threads here, I find myself wondering what makes a track "cheesy". |
Cheese = Scooter...
A track with only one intention behind...to sell like hell and make money. Tracks with simple melodies so the "children" and people that dont really listen and know much about trance will buy it and think ist cool and go around and say for ex. "Hey have you ever heard Rocco - Everybody? god that is good Techno"
Fragma - Toca me, is a good example... They just added vocals and released it under another name Tocas Miracle and it was an instant Hit. But everyone who loved Toca me hated it, they had totally ruined the tune...and their reputation...
i one posted the three laws of cheesedom, i cant remember what they are, so heres a rough idea:
really gimmicky lead, shit but highly catchy like: the theme, sandstorm. also can be in vocal form, the commercialisation aspect of cheese.
lack of layers and/or structure: (self explanatory, most flip n fill, castle in the sky etc. also comes down to commercialisation but not purposfully, jsut ur asvarage pop listener is to dumb to understand complex layers, so hardly anny suffice.
majorly over hyped synths: a good example is in the logical long, although it is pure cheese, the DERRR DERRRR DERRR type synth is a good example, a "pop" listeners "uplifting trance" as it were, but just tacky. sng have been guilty of using these now and then which contributes to ppl calling them cheese, as i see it.
most peopel call anything that they dont like cheese these days, the above rules are what cheese actually is
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