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Human Cloning

I'd like to find out everyone elses opinions/views on this subject, here's mine:

Cloning technology should be embraced, and extended to humans for medical purposes, as well as any other constructive use. The potential for medical advancements is almost endless! There is obviously a need for some type of regulation, as there is undoubtedly someone willing to use this technology in a manner not intended. It seems most of the opposition is derived from religious beliefs, which carry no weight in my books... so besides some minor (imo) social issues that need to be sorted, what are your arguments for opposing this advancement? Let's hear 'em...

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I have no serious issues with cloning besides the fact that it will eliminate the need for sex. However, cloning technology should be more researched and perfected before serious attempts are made.

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Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior I have no serious issues with cloning besides the fact that it will eliminate the need for sex.

that would never happen

I don't see anything wrong with it provided its done in a manner that is effective and doesnt cause a lot of birth defects, and that steps are taken to make sure the clone is able to be ok physcologically, maybe as far as not telling it when it matures.

im for it, i think it would be almost impossible to stop humanity from evolving, in this case being the acquistion of knowledge and insight into human cloning.

against when it's used for things like "oh i want a kid that looks like this and that and thinks like this and that and bla bla bla"

for when it's used to clone hears , livers and other human parts for transplantations

Unfortunately, the majority of the public aren't really educated on this subject, and of course, fear what they don't know.

I believe cloning is an amazing tool for scientific and medical research. We've already cloned many other species, and human cloning is just hte next step.

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Originally posted by quddha Unfortunately, the majority of the public aren't really educated on this subject, and of course, fear what they don't know.

absoloutley correct rite there. I mean i hav researched quite a lot into this in my studies in Science at college One day in another class i take (general studies) a topic that came up we had to debate, was human cloning. I was appauled at the arrogance of some of my other class mates, who were saying how terrible it is on a scientific level, when clearly they didnt hav a clue about the process, and were just basing there opinions on films like 6th Day, and shit. Wankers!! all of 'em heh. Like u said, don't fear what you don't know.

Voted Strongly Agree


Eventually it will become vital that we do understand the techniques of cloneing, and genetics. Eventually we will be forced to leave this planet, and we will hav to physically alter evolution, so that we can live else where. Its just a matter of time before something needs to be done, and i think its great we are looking into such technology now, rather than later.

I haven't seen any meaningful opposition to human cloning that does not involve either religion or extreme paranoia. Since I don't think arguments from either of those perspectives ought to be seriously considered, I have no reason to oppose human cloning (assuming it is used responsibly).

Currently there are problems with reproductive cloning as the children are sometimes deficient, and age faster. Besides, I think reproductive cloning which would make a grown individual identical to the one that allready exists has no reasonable purpose whatsoever, and that it shouldn't be done, except in very extraordinary circumstances.
However, I am for therapeutic cloning, and for altering genetic codes of unborn babies to repair deficiencies. I am also for altering genetic codes in view of improving human race.

genetic engineering and cloning goes hand in hand, you can't talk about one without talking about the other.

sometimes i don't understand some people that agree with cloning and genetical engineered humans.

how about a country deciding that in the future all kids will be genetically profiled as to eliminate the ones with the alzeimer disease. that would be cool. then they decide that the ones with crooked and handicaped legs should also be. ok fine its good. then the midgets and giants because they don't fit the standards in place in transportation, clothing, etc. well uhm sounds ok, and then eliminate all those with tendecies to be lazy, alcoholic, violent, unproductive, weakly built, fatsos, etc etc etc.

what if an army decides to produce a super soldier (and that already happened), a dictatorship perfect from disease. _then_ people would say well, it wasn't that good of an idea... why take a chance?

my point is that its very very difficult to define a limit on this, as what is valid, invalid and pure craziness. in some ethnicities some traits are well seen in others badly seen. boundaries are impossible to be drawn.

I oppose cloning because its a pandora box and its better and easier to just keep it shut than to toy with the idea and tests its limits. it could backfire in some twisted way that no one here imagined or would ever be able to.

and for those wanting to bring back a lost child or some shit like that, well its life, get over it and make another one . also find a grievence counselor

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I oppose cloning because its a pandora box and its better and easier to just keep it shut than to toy with the idea and tests its limits. it could backfire in some twisted way that no one here imagined or would ever be able to.

Every new technology brings with it the possibility of abuse or irresponseble use. But we shouldn't not use that technology because of that. With that attitude, we wouldn't have nuclear power, for example, or many other technologies. It is stupid to restrict a branch in science that can offer so much things, like curing genetic diseases, which were previously uncurable, it can cleanse gene pool of humanity of all deficiencies, and in the future, who knows, it can make us smarter, immortal...
You can always go live with the Amish if you don't like it.

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and for those wanting to bring back a lost child or some shit like that, well its life, get over it and make another one . also find a grievence counselor

That is stupid. Besides the new child won't have the personality of the previous one.
Hope genetic engeneering will make people smarter, tho, so they won't do that kind of stupid things

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Originally posted by ahlamalek genetic engineering and cloning goes hand in hand, you can't talk about one without talking about the other. sometimes i don't understand some people that agree with cloning and genetical engineered humans. how about a country deciding that in the future all kids will be genetically profiled as to eliminate the ones with the alzeimer disease. that would be cool. then they decide that the ones with crooked and handicaped legs should also be. ok fine its good. then the midgets and giants because they don't fit the standards in place in transportation, clothing, etc. well uhm sounds ok, and then eliminate all those with tendecies to be lazy, alcoholic, violent, unproductive, weakly built, fatsos, etc etc etc. what if an army decides to produce a super soldier (and that already happened), a dictatorship perfect from disease. _then_ people would say well, it wasn't that good of an idea... why take a chance? my point is that its very very difficult to define a limit on this, as what is valid, invalid and pure craziness. in some ethnicities some traits are well seen in others badly seen. boundaries are impossible to be drawn. I oppose cloning because its a pandora box and its better and easier to just keep it shut than to toy with the idea and tests its limits. it could backfire in some twisted way that no one here imagined or would ever be able to. and for those wanting to bring back a lost child or some shit like that, well its life, get over it and make another one . also find a grievence counselor

You might change your position on this issue if it was your child that was autistic, and the doctor offered to remove the extra chromosome to make him a "normal" child. Would you embrace this technology or would you suck it up and deal with life? It is a very difficult decision. Wouldn't you want what is best for your child? Or maybe your child is going to be blind? Wouldn't you want to grant him vision with this technology?

All technologies have its downsides and dangers, and they also have their sci-fi fantasies as well. For example, Nuclear fission is a great source of energy, clean safe (yes it is safe, throw the nuclear meltdown myths out the door) and efficient. however it is also a weapon of mass destruction. Antibiotics, I'm sure you've used them sometime in your life to cure an infection, however bacteria are evolving to become immune to them. Even Automobiles, great for transportation, but they're killing the environment.

Thanks to the study of genetics and cloning, we have excelled so much in the field of medical research. Without the ability to clone bacteria, we wouldn't have a cheap and effective way to reproduce and study proteins and enzymes. Just being able to clone bacteria inserted with a specific DNA sequence, has opened the door to so many medical and scientific possibilities.

Every technology has the chance of "backfiring" but what would the world be like without technology?

Cloning is nothing new. We've been doing it for decades. Only recently, the media has put it in the spotlight, and we know how good the media is at scaring people (Y2K BUG!! Africanized Killer Bees!! Nastradamus prophecies!!). Unfortunately, most people are educated on this subject through TV, newspapers and magazines. Some through science fiction. They all like to stress the dangers of cloning, because people like to be scared (it sells more). Few have actually picked up a Molecular Cell Biology text book (boring as hell, won't sell with the general public), and understood the benefits of cloning.

My view:

Cloning Homo Sapiens, IMO, should only be done to prove to ourselves we have the ability to do it...akin to a challenge. Once it's proven that human beings can be cloned, I can't see many uses for it.

I am against cloning for spare parts. WTF, imagine you're the cloned person and now you have to give up your life so that the person who cloned you can have your liver??

However, if cloning research enables/leads scientist to develop ways to grow organs in an otherwise viable environment, i'm all for that.

Ethically speaking, who decides who gets cloned? Do you clone interesting historical political figures, and if yes, for what reason? What's the interest behind cloning other than to prove to ourselves we can do it (basically to display our advancement in medical science)?

You don't have to clone a fully grown individual to form spare parts.

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