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The age debate
This was going to be a reply to the "official two tribes line up" thread. This is more than about two tribes, so I've started a new thread.
I've been to a number of open-age events in the past few years, such as:
Back to basics 2
Love nation 2001
Utopia at the Superdome (each of the three times)
Utopia at wonderland
Hyperspeed Rezurrection
Hyperspeed gold series
Mystic 3
Mystic 4
These are hardcore rave scene events, the kind you will see promoted on overdrive.com.au.
These events I have attended have been very special to me. I have gained a full understanding and appreciation of hardcore, happy hardcore, and trancecore styles of electronic dance music, which I otherwise could not have gained, even if I had the music on CDs or MP3s. You have to have attended events like these, and participated openly and wholeheartedly, to really understand and appreciate these styles.
At these events I've never cared much about seeing teenagers around. As long as I'm enjoying myself and they're enjoying themselves, then it's all fine. Most people who attend do enjoy themselves.
I don't care whether they're there because they think it makes them "cool". The goal is for everyone to have a great time, and the more happy people there are, the greater the synergy is in achieving that goal.
I know that a lot of people who attended the events, young and old, know nothing about the music, but I don't care, it doesn't mean they can't be happy, it doesn't mean they can't contribute to the synergistic "vibe".
The thing that should really be of concern is the possibility of other people, regardless of age, having a negative effect on your own experience of the event.
There is no evidence that proves that trouble is more likely to occur at open-age events than at adult-age events. By "trouble" I mean fights, stabbings, shootings, terrorism, etc. Also, there is no evidence that proves that trouble that does occur at open-age events is more likely caused by people under the age of 18.
On a different note, another thing that actually does concern a lot of people is the use of mind-altering substances (including alcohol and nicotine) by under-adult-age people. I know it's not good, but it's not my responsibility to do anything about it (unless they are people I know and/or are in my care), and I don't let it have any negative effect on my own enjoyment of the event itself. Feeling disappointed doesn't take the problem away, neither does placing age restrictions on events. Accept that it happens and let those who are meant to deal with it try to do so. There are issues of ethics here, but actually more significantly of law, medicine, and health education.
i dont really care about age,
i perfer the underground raves, i dunno just seams to have less commercial music.
and the one i went to for ny's was orsm
there was this pack of 4 year old gilrs dressed like pixies running around holding hands.
yeah u prolly dont approve but it made my night.
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| Originally posted by mi7ch i dont really care about age, i perfer the underground raves, i dunno just seams to have less commercial music. and the one i went to for ny's was orsm there was this pack of 4 year old gilrs dressed like pixies running around holding hands. yeah u prolly dont approve but it made my night. |
it depends how underage, 17 is ok, but anything under that, cmon, we all had to wait to go to big events so why dont they
well, as a minor (untill march) I used to be all for the underage thing, but i didn't have much to base it on. To date I've only been to two "raves" (i hate that word!!), two tribes and this NYE was underage. The pure contrast between them was amazing! the style and quality of music was 10 times better IMO at TT, and the same goes for the atmosphere.
But I really can't base anything on two nights of my life, I had a great time at both so i just wanna say that if ya don't like the 12 turning 18 year olds then stay away, they still have a right to a good time. Just so long as the events are seperated (like Two tribes) then no one has any grievences. But be content in the knowledge that you participate in something so much better! And make them wait for that!!
ive never been to an underage event but i dont have anything against it. i dont see any problem with under age people going to events like that, i dont really care if people go to be cool or anything, i mean i might look at them and think "pfft they are only here to look good" but then i would look and laugh at them 
it doesnt annoy me so to all you underagers here, go hard! 
I think it's good atm, the under-age events keep the musically mindless content with their "Rave". The all-ages events gives the musically-liberated a taste of what's to come. The over-ages events still let in any bogun who is over 18, but has the better locale/music.
17 year olds can be fine, some are just losers, it all depends on the person; the same goes for 18+. Philby I'm 17 and I don't surround you with my phat-pantage!
But basically I think it should stay how it is now.
If underagers really want to go to an event only because of th music they can do it. I went to oakenfold/chicane(live) when I was 15 and it opened my eyes. Don't know where I would be now without it, only 17 but I've had ID for the last 2 years 
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The only thing I think that is a possibility is making the age 16 or 17 for entry but you can't get drinks unless you're over 18. That would keep out a lot of the young riff raff who wanna be cool and drink in a club, but would allow ppl who like the music to go.
^^although I think it would still fuck it up a bit :P keep it how it is.
I am 17 and a half,
And am so glad two tribes is now ages 15 and above! i cant wait till july to go to my rave!!! Thank you goD!
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