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ending occupation won't end terror

I'm dragging this point out of another thread where it didn't belong. Looks like we get to start a new mid-east debate! Yea!!

It was raised, like many times before that the simple solution to terror is that the Israel exit the 'occupied territories' and cede control to the Palestinians in those territories. The reasoning goes that the humiliation and blah blah blah caused by the Israeli occupation of the people in this region are the cause for terror.

Now I will counter the above argument with a logical approach why this is not THE reason for terror, nor will the cessation of an occupation stop this terror.

First, military occupation is not the cause of terror. Proof? Well lets examine military occupations across the world shall we? Lets bring a few examples: Tibet, East Timor, Poland, Kosovo, Palestine.

Tibet, no terrorist, no suicide bombers, barely a resitance movement.
East timor, small resistance movement, little terror, no suicide bombers.
Poland, large resistance movement (talking about when poland was occupied by Russia), no terror, no sucide bombers.
Kosovo (under serbia), little resistance movement, terror, no suicide bombers.
Kosovo (under NATO), no resistance movement, little terror, no suicide bombers.
Palestine, little resistance movement, lots of terror, lots of suicide bombers.

Using different examples of varried military occupation throughout the world and of limited time scope above, I believe I have shown that occupation does not result in terror and therefore we can not make this assumption.

Now having proved that the assumption that occupation leads to terror, I will difuse the argument that the end of occupation will stop terror:

For ending of occupation and the direct corrolation to an end of terror, we don't even need to take so broad examples from the world, there are many from Israel's own history:

Occupation of Sinai, and its end. Occupation of Southern Leabonon and its end.

Israel withdrew from Sinai in 1978. Terror continued before and after this date to Israel. Even though a formal peace signed with Egypt latter curtailed terrorist operations orginating from Egypt. Yet arms smuggling and terrorist support are still conducted from Egypt till this day.

Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon in 2000 (or 1999, can't remember, it was spring though of whatever year). The Hezbullah had terrorized Israel's northern border before the occupation, during the occupation, and now after the occupation. The ending of the occupation in Lebanon had no effect on curtailing Hezbullah activity, many will argue it has even strengthened their position. Hezbullah continues to terrorize the Israeli populance, despite the fact that Israel withdrew from every bit of Lebanonese territory, and this was verified by the UN who says there should be no areas of dispute.

From these two examples, one could come to a general assumption that the ending of an occupation has no direct effect on the end of terrorism.

To this mix of counter arguments, I can add the ones you have probably already heard:

Terror existed before the occupation (israeli of palestinain claimed areas). If there was no terror there would be no occupation, and so forth. These are all valid, but I won't go to prove these as I believe the above arguments are proof enough to difuse your incorrect assumptions.

Now I will leave this post empty of citing sources and direct specific examples, and will leave that to my other posts to some of you who I am sure will try to stab at the above points.

I think the question you have to ask yourself is: Is occupation fair and just to all sides?

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Originally posted by PeacefulWarrior I think the question you have to ask yourself is: Is occupation fair and just to all sides?

think about it this way... your a country, you get attacked by 3 neighboring nations, and through some string of luck you emerge victorious, you take some territory from your mortal enemies in the process.

I've got no problem with the above line of reasoning. Warmongering invaders should pay a price if they lose a war.

Also notice how Germany got progressively smaller after each World War... I'm not complaining here either.

Solution: kill all arab and there will be no terror.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek Solution: kill all arab and there will be no terror.

it is a very scary thought,but I think thats how some people think.
and heeey look at the middle east right now,it is already happening.
thanks to Bush and his WOMD bullshit or his Arabs=AlQueda!!

it is just so sad and pathetic how some people view middle east.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer it is a very scary thought,but I think thats how some people think. and heeey look at the middle east right now,it is already happening. thanks to Bush and his WOMD bullshit or his Arabs=AlQueda!! it is just so sad and pathetic how some people view middle east.

It is truly sad... very sad indeed.

First and foremost....
Yoepus - When you refered to this place called 'Palistine', may i ask what planet this country is on??? I've searched all the planets in our solar system and havent found one source on 'Palistine'. Where is it and what kind of animals might live there?

PLEASE STOP REFERING TO A PLACE THAT DOESN'T EXIST - THERE IS NO SUCH COUNTRY AS PALISTINE AND WITH THE WAY THOSE ARABS ARE TRYING TO GET IT... WE SHOULD NEVER GIVE IT TO THEM!!

DO NOT REWARD TERRORISTS
HOMICIDE BOMBERS = TERRORISTS
ARAFAT = TERRORIST

Secondly, i think asking the question of if the occupation ends will terror stop is the stupidest question i've heard in a while. time and time again the arabs have proved themselves as savages who cant live alongside Israel. We give up land they want more, we give up terrorists, they send in some more.
Israel is being bullied and when it finally fights back the whole anti-semitic world lashes out on them.
Fuck the European union and their funding of the PA's direct links with terror operatives all over the mid-east region.
Fuck the United Nations who attack israel and the IDF for trying to defend itself from saveges who cant get along with anyone.

Its funny how the United states and the rest of the world is going for saddam hussain and osama bin laden, yet these same atrocities are still being assigned to druged up-brainwashed-ignorant-illiterate fucks with peanuts for brains who believe they are going to heaven to fuck 72 virgins (even if you actually believe this why would you want these nasty hairy ass virgins... their arabs!! eww!), by the Palistinian Authority(haha, show me some kind of authority these fucks have over their savage society), by Arafucked! (sorry, meant to say arafat - opps!)

WHEN I GROW UP I WOULD LOVE TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO FINALLY ACHIEVE PEACE WITH THE ARABS - I WILL BE SO FILTHY RICH THAT I WILL HIRE THE SMARTEST SCIENTISTS OF THE WORLD (OBVIOUSLY MOSTLY ISRAELI'S) TO CREATE FOR ME A BIOLOGICAL BOMB THAT WILL ONLY KILL ARABS .... OHH WHAT A HAPPY WOULD IT WOULD BE!!!


OHH, AND BEFORE YOU START BASHING ME FOR VENTING, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT ITS NOT LAND THEY WANT, ITS NOT HUMAN RIGHTS OR EVEN A COUNTRY OF THEIR OWN - THEY ONLY WANT THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL. THEY HATE TO SEE THE YOUNGEST COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST ACHIEVE MORE THEN THE REST OF THE ARAB WORLD COMBINED ACHIEVED IN ITS WHOLE EXISTANCE. PATHETIC ISN'T IT.
lET IT BE VERY CLEAR THAT ISLAM IS VERY DANGEROUS, UNFORTUNATLY THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY ETREMIST MOTHER******S WHO BELIEVE THAT IF YOUR NOT ONE OF THEM THEN YOUR A NON-BELIEVER... AND NON-BELIEVERS MUST BE KILLED!!!

TODAY ITS ISRAEL AND THE JEWS, TOMORROW IT WILL BE THE REST OF YOU!!

FUCKIN' COCKROACHES!



I LOOK INTO THE FACE OF PEOPLE WHO SIMPATHISE WITH THESE ANIMALS AND AM SO AMAZED BY THEIR IGNORANCE.
ARAFAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASSASSINATED DECADES AGO ALONG WITH HUSSAIN AND EVERY OTHER MUSLIM TERRORIST.

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Originally posted by melech_mike First and foremost.... Yoepus - When you refered to this place called 'Palistine', may i ask what planet this country is on??? I've searched all the planets in our solar system and havent found one source on 'Palistine'. Where is it and what kind of animals might live there? PLEASE STOP REFERING TO A PLACE THAT DOESN'T EXIST - THERE IS NO SUCH COUNTRY AS PALISTINE AND WITH THE WAY THOSE ARABS ARE TRYING TO GET IT... WE SHOULD NEVER GIVE IT TO THEM!! DO NOT REWARD TERRORISTS HOMICIDE BOMBERS = TERRORISTS ARAFAT = TERRORIST Secondly, i think asking the question of if the occupation ends will terror stop is the stupidest question i've heard in a while. time and time again the arabs have proved themselves as savages who cant live alongside Israel. We give up land they want more, we give up terrorists, they send in some more. Israel is being bullied and when it finally fights back the whole anti-semitic world lashes out on them. Fuck the European union and their funding of the PA's direct links with terror operatives all over the mid-east region. Fuck the United Nations who attack israel and the IDF for trying to defend itself from saveges who cant get along with anyone. Its funny how the United states and the rest of the world is going for saddam hussain and osama bin laden, yet these same atrocities are still being assigned to druged up-brainwashed-ignorant-illiterate fucks with peanuts for brains who believe they are going to heaven to fuck 72 virgins (even if you actually believe this why would you want these nasty hairy ass virgins... their arabs!! eww!), by the Palistinian Authority(haha, show me some kind of authority these fucks have over their savage society), by Arafucked! (sorry, meant to say arafat - opps!) WHEN I GROW UP I WOULD LOVE TO BE THE FIRST PERSON TO FINALLY ACHIEVE PEACE WITH THE ARABS - I WILL BE SO FILTHY RICH THAT I WILL HIRE THE SMARTEST SCIENTISTS OF THE WORLD (OBVIOUSLY MOSTLY ISRAELI'S) TO CREATE FOR ME A BIOLOGICAL BOMB THAT WILL ONLY KILL ARABS .... OHH WHAT A HAPPY WOULD IT WOULD BE!!! OHH, AND BEFORE YOU START BASHING ME FOR VENTING, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT ITS NOT LAND THEY WANT, ITS NOT HUMAN RIGHTS OR EVEN A COUNTRY OF THEIR OWN - THEY ONLY WANT THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL. THEY HATE TO SEE THE YOUNGEST COUNTRY IN THE MIDDLE EAST ACHIEVE MORE THEN THE REST OF THE ARAB WORLD COMBINED ACHIEVED IN ITS WHOLE EXISTANCE. PATHETIC ISN'T IT. lET IT BE VERY CLEAR THAT ISLAM IS VERY DANGEROUS, UNFORTUNATLY THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY ETREMIST MOTHER******S WHO BELIEVE THAT IF YOUR NOT ONE OF THEM THEN YOUR A NON-BELIEVER... AND NON-BELIEVERS MUST BE KILLED!!! TODAY ITS ISRAEL AND THE JEWS, TOMORROW IT WILL BE THE REST OF YOU!! FUCKIN' COCKROACHES! I LOOK INTO THE FACE OF PEOPLE WHO SIMPATHISE WITH THESE ANIMALS AND AM SO AMAZED BY THEIR IGNORANCE. ARAFAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASSASSINATED DECADES AGO ALONG WITH HUSSAIN AND EVERY OTHER MUSLIM TERRORIST.

mmm I wonder how ur country acieved more then other arabs world??
ooh I know by kissing ass to the U.S.
It is because of people like u that there is war in middle east.
and as long as there is people like u in this world u deserve to suffer.U are disgrassed to all your people and your country and to every other country in middle east.
and as long as we have idiots like yourself,the war will never end.
and as long as u and other people talk with such hate u will get your ass blown by suicide bombers!!(god bless them)

now there is debate and then there is downright bigotry.

melech_mike, if you can not post objectivly without resorting to racisim and bigotry then don't bother posting.

consider this your 1st warning.

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