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"Rave" Part One- What does it Mean?

What does the word Rave mean?

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rave- v. raved, rav�ing, raves v. intr. 1. To speak wildly, irrationally, or incoherently. 2. To roar; rage: The storm raved along the coast. 3. To speak or write with wild enthusiasm: Critics raved about the new play. 4. To attend a rave. v. tr. To utter or express in a frenzied manner. n. 1. The act or an instance of raving. 2. Informal. An extravagantly enthusiastic opinion or review: The play received raves. 3. An all-night dance party, especially one where techno, house, or other electronically synthesized music is played. 4. Chiefly British. A raucous party; a rave-up. adj. Informal Relating to or being an extravagantly enthusiastic opinion or review. From www.dictionary.com

What constitutes a rave?

I notice now that it is impossible to differentiate between a club and a rave. Usually a rave was a place where mostly all types of trance and techno were played, but now alot of clubs are bringing in the HUGE trance DJs.

Answer these questions:

If you go to a club where a DJ is spinning trance/techno would you call that a rave?

If you went to a club where is spinning trance/techno, and people are dressed up as clubbers would you call that a rave?

If you go to a club where a DJ and people were dressed up as ravers would you call that a rave?

If you go to a club where a DJ is spinning trance/techno and there was alot of drug use, mainly extacy, would you call that a rave?

Does the fact that the event goes on all night make it a rave?

What do You consider a rave?

the fine line that used to seperate a rave from a 'club party' is more of a grey area than a fine line ..

in the end, shouldn't really matter.. as long as ur having fun rite?

i think 'rave' is just a term that's used a lot less these days... to my knowledge i think it stopped having widespread use toward the end of 2000/ beginning of 2001 , which coincidentally was around the same time that promoters like Destiny, Lifeforce, Liquid Adrenaline, etc. stopped throwing large scale parties.. and also saw the last iDance party in TO.. not to mention the death and indefinite end of many smaller scale rave promoters.. this time also marked the real emergence of Guv as the 'superclub' of TO basically taking the place of all these older rave promoters as the main promoter for international DJ's ..

and it seems that a lotta TOTA's got into the scene when the term 'rave' isn't widely used anymore. personally i think most TA's here consider themselves to be more of 'clubbers' and 'partiers' rather than 'ravers'.. but again, yea it's just a term, shouldn't be used to brand ppl into a certain category ..

I find that when people who dont know about electronic music, go to their first electronic music event (club, rave, house party), they always end up telling people they went to a rave. Maybe to sound cool.

Re: "Rave" Part One- What does it Mean?

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Originally posted by The Highroller What constitutes a rave? What do You consider a rave?

FUCK! You're making me miss a bit of the Fiesta (Tiesto?!?) Bowl! Ohio is up 14-7 - go Buckeyes!

None the less - if you ask my friends - any party I go to (Marco V, Talla, Tiesto, Corsten, Entrance) they're all raves.

What do they consider a rave? Hard (non-top 40 or euro) music..

What do I consider a rave? Binfary Finary was a rave.. A rave is a non-comercial (non club, or at least not organized by a club [guv, system, etc]) event, where there are specific promoters bringing in a group of DJs for party.

Do I agree with my friends - somewhat, the parties mentioned above, where _not_ raves, but did they have a rave _feel_?? Some of them yes, but it was because of the non pretentious nature of the croud, and the great feeling that the people I went with....

I thinkt that "rave" has had a bad rap by the media, and thus promoters would rather have a "club party" masquerading as a "rave" due to the publicity/legal concequences.

What is a rave? It's a party, where there are limited commercial interests [by club owners], and where the crowd is united for one cause - dancing and great music (check the BS at the door).

yea i agree. some clubs have a rave feel like viva while others have a club feel like guv and system

i know this may be a little off topic .. but just rolling off what you guys have been saying about 'raves' / 'clubs'..

but does anyone here think that sites like tribe.ca have a more 'rave' feel and sites like TA.com have a more 'club' feel .. ? or atleast that the ways it seems for me. sometimes i notice that rave promoted events seem to draw more hype on boards like Tribe whereas the main talk on TA usually circles around Goldclub or Guv events..

then again , could be the DJ's that are making the diff in the end.. i think ppl on TA are just more fans of international DJ's as opposed to local talent ..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL then again , could be the DJ's that are making the diff in the end.. i think ppl on TA are just more fans of international DJ's as opposed to local talent ..

i think thats what it is. but of course TA has more of a club feel because club promoters are the only promoters that can afford big international DJs.

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Originally posted by The Highroller i think thats what it is. but of course TA has more of a club feel because club promoters are the only promoters that can afford big international DJs.

tru say .. but in a matter of preference .. putting the DJ aside for a momemnt, i would say that TA's prefer the large scale club atmosphere more over a small intimate underground party feel ..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL tru say .. but in a matter of preference .. putting the DJ aside for a momemnt, i would say that TA's prefer the large scale club atmosphere more over a small intimate underground party feel ..

well i dont really know about that as i havent been here long enough to draw that conclusion but after being to my first "rave ish" party at NYE, i would DEFINATELY say i preffer the "more underground intamate feel"

now putting all stereotypes aside for a moment as well .. if u were to ask me whether or not i think Tranceaddicts are more of clubbers or ravers, i'd prolly say clubbers .. i just can't associate TA's with being 'ravers' for some reason .. i mean everyone has their own definition of what a clubber and a raver is , and wells based on my own , that's what i believe..

altho there are a few peeps here who could pass for the raver type

well i may not dress like a raver because the way the dress makes me sick but i prefer the atmosphere of raves over clubs. i dont know if that makes me a raver or not..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL now putting all stereotypes aside for a moment as well .. if u were to ask me whether or not i think Tranceaddicts are more of clubbers or ravers, i'd prolly say clubbers .. i just can't associate TA's with being 'ravers' for some reason .. i mean everyone has their own definition of what a clubber and a raver is , and wells based on my own , that's what i believe..

I wrote a thread saying exactly what you mean here. But I was flamed.

Its like, being a "clubber" offended them...

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Originally posted by Dr. Z I wrote a thread saying exactly what you mean here. But I was flamed. Its like, being a "clubber" offended them...

well he only just said it. you have to give flammers a bit of time you know.

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Originally posted by Dr. Z I wrote a thread saying exactly what you mean here. But I was flamed. Its like, being a "clubber" offended them...

haha .. that's why i said "now putting all stereotypes aside for a moment as well .. "

and noticed the wording in my statement .. i'm trying to be very careful as to what i say on these boards. some people here are very easily offended so saying stuff like this is almost like walking on thin ice .. usually u can smell a flame coming before it even happens.

but getting back on topic .. i said i think that TA seem more like 'clubbers' to me than 'ravers' but i (purposely) never gave my definition of either, cuz i know that as soon as i do, someone is gonna take it as an offence..

Desidel, you should have went to Megacity...

to me, it's really hard to say what's a rave, and who's a raver, and all that jazz.

myself though, and this is my opinion, i consider myself a raver. flame me if you want, saying things like 'i haven't been raving long enough', or 'rave is dead' and all that stuff, but that's what i think. but i also consider myself a clubber too, cuz i like going to the club feeling, where everyone is classy, and handles themselves better than most (well, hopefully, though, there are many exceptions for sure.) so as i said, it's really wishy washy.

as for what is a rave and what is a party, raves i associate with promotional companies like destiny, ph, nightmare, hullabaloo, that sort of deal, where it's more about the vibe people bring and not some humongous headliner. whereas, parties i associate more with clubs, lots of people, and basically larger events, like guv...

i'm sure you can find flaws in both my statements, but that's what i think.

peace,
Ken

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Originally posted by Dr. Z Desidel, you should have went to Megacity...

oh believe me .. i wanted to , if it weren't for a bad case of Bronchitis ..

ah wells.. i think i woulda been upset at the fact that the lasers had a heart attack early on anyways, can't party in that place without the lasers..

and Ken, i've seen some classy ravers before and some VERY unclassy clubbers ..

you makin fun of me?! bring it bizatch! *me runs away*

yeah, true, as i said, there's always exceptions to the rules... like me wait a min...

i love this time of night, cuz i don't give a shit what i post, haha

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Originally posted by mot10n as for what is a rave and what is a party, raves i associate with promotional companies like destiny, ph, nightmare, hullabaloo, that sort of deal, where it's more about the vibe people bring and not some humongous headliner. whereas, parties i associate more with clubs, lots of people, and basically larger events, like guv...

I agree with you 100%

Re: "Rave" Part One- What does it Mean?

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Originally posted by The Highroller Answer these questions: If you go to a club where a DJ is spinning trance/techno would you call that a rave? If you went to a club where is spinning trance/techno, and people are dressed up as clubbers would you call that a rave? If you go to a club where a DJ and people were dressed up as ravers would you call that a rave? If you go to a club where a DJ is spinning trance/techno and there was alot of drug use, mainly extacy, would you call that a rave? Does the fact that the event goes on all night make it a rave? What do You consider a rave?

1. No because it's a club.

2. No because it's still a club.

3. No because it takes more then that for it to be considered a "rave".

4. Same answer as above.

5. Well, that is definitely a big factor in what makes a "rave".

6. The thing is is that in North America what is known as "Rave" might be different from what "raves" are known as in other parts of the world.
So, imo we have 3 types of parties here... 1. "Raves" and 2. "Afterhours Clubs" (ie. The Guv, System Soundbar, Viva, Red Square)
They both run until about 6am or later. Both have Electronic music, and the crowd, well they can both have "raver" and "clubber" types.
What i consider a "rave", would be all night electronic music parties at a venue that is not considered to be a weekly event. A "rave" would be a special event, where the venue for 1 is not known until sometime prior, electronic music is played and drug use is a also a factor. A "Rave" can be held at a club, but cannot be set on a schedule like weekly club events are ie: Spin Saturdays at the Guv (this is considered a weekly club event). What i don't consider a "rave" are "House parties" or "Get-Togethers at houses" that go on all night, even though electronic music is being played... no those are still house parties and get-togethers!! And when i say house i mean your place of residents in which you live, not house music. The types of crowds at "raves" can consist of anyone. This is just my opinion.. others may agree or dissagree, but i could care less.

wells .. for one i agree with you. i personally think that raves are events that are thrown by promoting companies like Destiny that only happen on certain occasions and are not regular club events like Spin Sat just like Malice said ..

so i guess in this regard many TA's can be considered both clubbers and ravers since many of us have been to both.. but i still get the feeling that a lotta TA's definately opt more for the club party rather than the 'rave'.. i guess it's just a matter of preference and personal style..

My definition of a rave is a little bit different.
A rave is a place where you could look to the person next to you, and know exactly what he is feeling. A place where no sight in the place can bring you down to earth, by destroying the mood that you are in.

And I have to emphisize this: I'm talking about not a need of drugs.

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Originally posted by Dr. Z My definition of a rave is a little bit different. A rave is a place where you could look to the person next to you, and know exactly what he is feeling. A place where no sight in the place can bring you down to earth, by destroying the mood that you are in. And I have to emphisize this: I'm talking about not a need of drugs.

In this case rave is just an urban myth. Drugs have always been part of rave scene and always will be. You may not be on drugs, but when you see that smiling raver dancing next to you - it's most likely he'll be high on something.

I have a question... go easy on me, I'm a n00b...

If I try to sum up everyone's opinion here... does this imply that a bigger party with major DJs like PVD or Corsten (club, apparently) is likely to have less drugs going around than a more underground party with more local, lesser-known DJs (rave)? It just seems counterintuitive to me... popularity attracts trend followers.

I find this whole thing confusing. I asked my friend in SoCal and he said (paraphrasing) that an underground party is a 'rave' whereas a big party with major DJs that attracts a ton of people is a 'massive'. That's totally different from anything that's been said here but it makes more sense to me.

Or perhaps, a name is a name and the party is whatever the partiers choose to name it...

drugs should have nothing to do with the difference between a rave and a 'club' party.. but alas is does due to stereotypes.. :[

in the end, u'll find drugs at both !!

on a side note, whenever i browse thru Tribe.ca (a more ravey site in the eyes of some) i get the feeling that a lotta ppl there don't know too much about international DJ's that a lotta TA's dig. does anyone get this impression too .. hrmmz i wonder if it has anything to do with the whole rave vs. club thing ..

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