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How did u learn using Reason?

i just got reason 2.0... ok... the program is so fucking (pardon) complicated!!! goddamn!!

Matrix sequencer is the most fucked up things ive ever seen... Im not saying it in a bad way, i wanna learn it..... i know its a professional program, and I know that its better then Fruitty Loops (that im currently using, if u wanna hear my production, theres one of them in "Amateur Djs")

ok....i made a bassline.....i made an arpeggio!! yay!! .... but, it sounds worse then fruitty's standart sounds.... wth...

Where do I start? what do I do? help me out guys, im desperate to learn Reason =)))

thanx in advance

reason is far too overcomplicated to be considered to be a professional program. its so fiddly to do what should be simple tasks.

logic audio platinum is the pros program. like it or lump it. its daunting at first cos you have to set it up to suit yourself after install but then it lets you get on with composing rather that wiring this bit to that bit and all that toyland shite!!! even the arrange window is a pain in the arse and that should be the easy bit!!!

do yourself a favour and fuck it off!! and remember...cubase is just as bad...too many floating/never on top windows to fuck about with!!

haha......so what program would u recommend?

Learn one program and learn it well. Don't switch around with programs because someone claims this is more professional than that and blah blah blah. Fruity Loops, Reason, Buzz, Logic, Cubase, and probably many others will all get you where you want to go. You just need to (a) learn the program well enough, and (b) have the production skills necessary (which no program will help you get).

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Originally posted by modular reason is far too overcomplicated to be considered to be a professional program. its so fiddly to do what should be simple tasks. logic audio platinum is the pros program. like it or lump it. its daunting at first cos you have to set it up to suit yourself after install but then it lets you get on with composing rather that wiring this bit to that bit and all that toyland shite!!! even the arrange window is a pain in the arse and that should be the easy bit!!! do yourself a favour and fuck it off!! and remember...cubase is just as bad...too many floating/never on top windows to fuck about with!!

LOL - what a bunch of bullshit!

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery LOL - what a bunch of bullshit!

that seems to be your answer to every post of mine. without backing it up with any other words. youve managed a high output of tunes with reason then have you...

i guarantee if you started using logic you would never turn back to anything else...

..and in future if your gonna call my every post 'bullshit' at the least give it more than a few words cos thats just fucking lame... tell me what is so fucking special about reason....or cubase for that matter.

ive worked with these other programs and with people who have thought they were the bees knees.....until they got a look at logic.

you seem to have some problem with me that i dont quite understand.
i try to give people sound advice based on pitfalls and obstacles that i have overcome in my own search to make things easier for myself.

i didnt just slag off reason and cubase giving no reason(sic)for it.

if your gonna slag off my opinions....elaborate!!!

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logic audio platinum is the pros program

I think that most of the pros use logic because it is older...when they began to make music, they had no Reason...

I found on a German website about professionals using Reason:

CJ Stone used Reason, and German Album Charts Number leader Groenemeyer used it for his latest album ( no trance artist )...
then you also could name Airbase, doing everything in Reason...

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Where do I start

Make a "New Song" and delete all devices and tracks except the mixer...Then create a subtractor. Now you see a single track in the track window. Just paint some single notes, make a loop and play with the knobs on the synth and add / remove notes. Add delay / reverb / flanger -devices to the synth and look how the sound changes. Play with the filter, make a longer loop, add a second subtractor or a NN19 sampler...just try it...

listen
THIS TRACK is made with Reason ...

Trancevision

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Make a "New Song" and delete all devices and tracks except the mixer...Then create a subtractor. Now you see a single track in the track window. Just paint some single notes, make a loop and play with the knobs on the synth and add / remove notes. Add delay / reverb / flanger -devices to the synth and look how the sound changes. Play with the filter, make a longer loop, add a second subtractor or a NN19 sampler...just try it... listen THIS TRACK is made with Reason ... Trancevision

u said...create a subtractor... do i need to create Matrix sequencer for putting notes on it? [/QUOTE]

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Originally posted by Trancevision Make a "New Song" and delete all devices and tracks except the mixer...Then create a subtractor. Now you see a single track in the track window. Just paint some single notes, make a loop and play with the knobs on the synth and add / remove notes. Add delay / reverb / flanger -devices to the synth and look how the sound changes. Play with the filter, make a longer loop, add a second subtractor or a NN19 sampler...just try it... listen THIS TRACK is made with Reason ... Trancevision

and how long would that take to wire up and swap about quickly if you weren't happy with it....

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Originally posted by -AbsurD- u said...create a subtractor... do i need to create Matrix sequencer for putting notes on it?

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no you wouldnt . that would be an addition to spice things up later.

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Originally posted by brash (b) have the production skills necessary (which no program will help you get).

but some might hinder you by distacting from whats important.

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Originally posted by -AbsurD- u said...create a subtractor... do i need to create Matrix sequencer for putting notes on it?

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no there should be some sort of track edit type thing where you can draw the notes in. i think its at the bottom if memory serves...

forget about reason and other toys (fruity, ...)
buy some decent hardware synths instead (2nd hand)..
People seem to forget these days of warez that creating pro music costs money.

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Originally posted by modular reason is far too overcomplicated to be considered to be a professional program. its so fiddly to do what should be simple tasks.

You tell me I can't back up my arguments when all you do is force your personal opinions as the God's Truth (tm).

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logic audio platinum is the pros program. like it or lump it.

Why? Because you use it?
When are people going to understand that it's not what you use, it's how you use it? Just because you obviously don't understand anything from Reason doesn't mean it sucks. It means you do.

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its daunting at first cos you have to set it up to suit yourself after install but then it lets you get on with composing rather that wiring this bit to that bit and all that toyland shite!!! even the arrange window is a pain in the arse and that should be the easy bit!!!

Er... and how does that differ from Reason then? There is no need whatsoever to do wiring in reason - it's been taken care of automatically. You CAN, however, do it manually too but it's not necessary.

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do yourself a favour and fuck it off!! and remember...cubase is just as bad...too many floating/never on top windows to fuck about with!!

Do yourself a favour and stop thinking your opinion is the only right one.

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youve managed a high output of tunes with reason then have you...

So people tell me. But what about you? Where can I hear your tracks?

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i guarantee if you started using logic you would never turn back to anything else...

Maybe. However, that's not my point... I don't care what programs people use as long as they sound good. It's just your arrogant attitude towards programs you don't like/understand/can't use that makes me angry.
Let people use what they want and stop giving your arrogant opinions with no facts to everyone.

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..and in future if your gonna call my every post 'bullshit' at the least give it more than a few words cos thats just fucking lame... tell me what is so fucking special about reason....or cubase for that matter.

You don't use Reason. That's special enough.

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you seem to have some problem with me that i dont quite understand. i try to give people sound advice based on pitfalls and obstacles that i have overcome in my own search to make things easier for myself.

It's that attitude of yours, like said above... you tell your arrogant opinions as the only right truth and slag off everyone who doesn't share your views.
You like Logic - fine, you've made your point. No need to go on about it anymore.

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i didnt just slag off reason and cubase giving no reason(sic)for it.

Er... yes you did.

There, is that a better reply mr. tech god?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery It's that attitude of yours, like said above... you tell your arrogant opinions as the only right truth and slag off everyone who doesn't share your views.

Actually, Mr.Mystery, that could very well be said about you.
You're pretty arrogant yourself...

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Originally posted by Eugene Actually, Mr.Mystery, that could very well be said about you. You're pretty arrogant yourself...

Maybe, but at least I don't tell people to "fuck it off" and tell them to switch to some other software when they ask questions about something...

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery LOL - what a bunch of bullshit!

What he sed

This argument is dumb !

I recantly found out that its true... Its not the program its the man using it

For example this guy from this forum just released a track on vinel using only FL .. and it sounds very pro !

For conclusion : just use the program that u like ! and make some fuckin music !!!

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery So people tell me. But what about you? Where can I hear your tracks? Er... yes you did. There, is that a better reply mr. tech god?

1 click the sig
2 no i didnt
3 yes, that didnt hurt did it?

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Originally posted by modular 1 click the sig 2 no i didnt 3 yes, that didnt hurt did it?

1. I will
2. The facts prove you wrong
3. No, now why don't you try the same?

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery 1. I will 2. The facts prove you wrong 3. No, now why don't you try the same?

im sorry but i stated quite clearly my problems with reason and i am familiar enough with it to say so.
i also used cubase for years (5 in total) so i know that piece of shite inside out.

thank you

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Maybe, but at least I don't tell people to "fuck it off" and tell them to switch to some other software when they ask questions about something...

and as he'd only just started using it. seems a good time for the right advice to me.

Re: How did u learn using Reason?

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Originally posted by -AbsurD- i just got reason 2.0... ok... the program is so fucking (pardon) complicated!!! goddamn!! Matrix sequencer is the most fucked up things ive ever seen... Im not saying it in a bad way, i wanna learn it..... i know its a professional program, and I know that its better then Fruitty Loops (that im currently using, if u wanna hear my production, theres one of them in "Amateur Djs") ok....i made a bassline.....i made an arpeggio!! yay!! .... but, it sounds worse then fruitty's standart sounds.... wth... Where do I start? what do I do? help me out guys, im desperate to learn Reason =))) thanx in advance

The guy is asking for help with Reason 2.0. He is not asking for which program is better. That's just obnoxious to flaunt your own preference and quasi-knowledge when you do not even know his situation. He probably does not have an Apple to run Logic on. I understand Logic PC can still be used but support for that has ended.

Here are some links that will help you with Reason -AbsurD-:
www.peff.com
www.raapie.nl
www.reasonfreaks.com
www.reasonstation.net

Books:
User's Guide to Propellerhead Reason 2

There is a "Producing Music With Reason - Tutorial CD-ROM" at Reason's website. http://www.propellerheads.se/



Good luck

I'm what ou could calll selflearned in reason....tips from pals....just fiddeling around....and aI never tocu those cables....you don't have to

don't make it harder than it looks

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