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Posted by djmorph on Jan-05-2003 07:05:

beatmatching

I've read on some forums that beat matching w/ the high notes will improve your mixing skillz. I was wondering if when you DO beat match those high notes with one another, does the bass beat sync up as well? Cuz I was thinking if you go by the high notes you might have galloping horses or something. kthx in advance


Posted by Arsalan on Jan-05-2003 09:47:

I usally only match highs when there are no beats for example if i wanna bring track B and it has only highs, i just match the highs and the beat will be sync too if you have the pitch right of course.

The hardest is try to try the find pitch with a melody breakdown lol it's kinda hard but if you know your tracks well you can guess where the beats are and match it. Practice


Posted by Dj Flesch on Jan-05-2003 15:20:

Matching the highs doesn't always work. You first have to make sure that your bass beats are at least close to being matched and in phase! Then you can listen to the highs so that you can tune the match even more. By listening to the highs, you can maintain the beatmatch when you can't hear the bass beats clearly, or one track doesn't have a bass beat (or it drops out for a while).


Posted by Tony Morello on Jan-05-2003 23:25:

actually, mixing with the highs always works
i haven't come across i track i wasn't able to mix
even crossing genres
i play hard house and sometimes the bass can be a little overwhelming and distorted so mixing using the basslines doesn't work too well

i mix listening only to the highs and my mixes are mint

if you mixing using bass try mix listening to the highs and you'll find your mixes will get tighter

i did and my mixes got a whole lot tighter

and once to can mix using the highs you can start crossing genres in your set
go from trance to breaks and back

almost every track has some sort of consistent high end (hi-hat, snare, whatever...) while the bass and kick could be all over the place

i haven't encountered a track yet that i've trainwrecked because of this method

and yes, the basslines will sync up when you mix with the highs


Posted by Spin Doctor on Jan-05-2003 23:35:

While you are mixing between tracks it�s often easier to notice the high end percussion drifting out of sync before the drum kick seems to. If you can spot this quick it helps loads. Once you�ve got your ears trained to listen to this, you�ll be able to correct and notice errors way before anyone on the dance floor picks up on them.


Posted by Tony Morello on Jan-05-2003 23:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Spin Doctor
While you are mixing between tracks it�s often easier to notice the high end percussion drifting out of sync before the drum kick seems to. If you can spot this quick it helps loads. Once you�ve got your ears trained to listen to this, you�ll be able to correct and notice errors way before anyone on the dance floor picks up on them.


that's exactly what i meant when talking about your mixes becoming tighter, just couldn't find the right words

yes, it's easier to hear the high end come out of sync than the low end


Posted by Spin Doctor on Jan-06-2003 12:16:

Sorry to repeat what you posted DJ_Shockwav! I didn�t really read the thread through properly before posting. You know what they say though, great minds think alike!


Posted by djmorph on Jan-06-2003 15:56:

alright i think i understand

So when mixing you find the snare or high hat in the first song and then match it up w/ the snare of high hat in the second song. I'm also assuming you match it with in the same phrase? For some reason I just feel like I'll have to hear someone do it to believe it. Thanks for the help.


Posted by Dj Flesch on Jan-06-2003 19:01:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav
actually, mixing with the highs always works
i haven't come across i track i wasn't able to mix
even crossing genres


It won't work well if the highs are out of phase. I've listened to tracks where the hi hats hit on beats 1,3 or 2,4 (you get the idea I hope) and then you are forced to match the bass beats because the highs don't overlap. You can match the highs, but your mix will be out of phase.


Posted by Mod1 on Jan-06-2003 19:47:

once the track is in the mix i usually listen to the hats (if they ate there!) to check it , i always take off the head phones too!


Posted by Mod1 on Jan-06-2003 19:51:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav
actually, mixing with the highs always works
i haven't come across i track i wasn't able to mix
even crossing genres
i play hard house and sometimes the bass can be a little overwhelming and distorted so mixing using the basslines doesn't work too well

i mix listening only to the highs and my mixes are mint

if you mixing using bass try mix listening to the highs and you'll find your mixes will get tighter

i did and my mixes got a whole lot tighter

and once to can mix using the highs you can start crossing genres in your set
go from trance to breaks and back

almost every track has some sort of consistent high end (hi-hat, snare, whatever...) while the bass and kick could be all over the place

i haven't encountered a track yet that i've trainwrecked because of this method

and yes, the basslines will sync up when you mix with the highs




all true!!!!


Posted by Tony Morello on Jan-06-2003 20:03:

it was actually a breaks dj who taught me that method
he's spun breaks since the start and has never played anything else
so he thought mixing with the high end was what everyone did


Posted by dark_tenshi on Jan-07-2003 10:47:

Yes beatmatching with high hats works very well, especially the incomming back has no baseline. I use a Pioneer DJM500 and there's no separate EQ monitor for the head phones, so I kind of learned to match with high hats when I bring in the incoming track.


Posted by Dj Flesch on Jan-07-2003 14:33:

quote:
Originally posted by dark_tenshi
Yes beatmatching with high hats works very well, especially the incomming back has no baseline. I use a Pioneer DJM500 and there's no separate EQ monitor for the head phones, so I kind of learned to match with high hats when I bring in the incoming track.


You don't need a separate eq for your headphone to match with the highs. If you need to adjust the highs, do it with the channel eq and slowly turn it back to normal during the mix. You will still be able to hear the adjustment in your headphone.


Posted by Tony Morello on Jan-08-2003 19:29:

even then
when i play on jspot's vestax mixer
it doesn't let you hear eq changes in the headphones
so i just listen
i can still hear the high end



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