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Yet Another Suicide Bombing

This thread has no real means of debate, just to keep you posted:

18:35 today, January 5th, two suicide bombers just exploded at the area of the old central station, Tel - Aviv. So far there are 30 wounded, of them 7 in critical state, 7 in mid-to-heavy wound state and also 15 dead.

that is horrible.

BTW, it's january 5th.

Nablus branch of Al Aqsa Martyrs� Brigades, wing of Arafat�s Fatah, took responsibility over Arabic TV Al Jazeera for double suicide bombing Sunday night in Tel Aviv, which claimed 19 lives and left 114 injured

Earlier, Jihad Islami`s Damascus HQ claimed to have carried out dual terror attacks, the first of 2003 and one of the deadliest in more than two years of Palestinian campaign of violence.

Extra-large bombs contained ball bearings and sharp metal fragments, making injuries more severe.

Sharon`s inner defense cabinet confers before midnight Sunday in special session. Israeli political sources hold Arafat ultimately responsible for attack, as he gives consistent green light to terrorist activity

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Originally posted by melech_mike Nablus branch of Al Aqsa Martyrs� Brigades, wing of Arafat�s Fatah, took responsibility over Arabic TV Al Jazeera for double suicide bombing Sunday night in Tel Aviv, which claimed 19 lives and left 114 injured Earlier, Jihad Islami`s Damascus HQ claimed to have carried out dual terror attacks, the first of 2003 and one of the deadliest in more than two years of Palestinian campaign of violence. Extra-large bombs contained ball bearings and sharp metal fragments, making injuries more severe. Sharon`s inner defense cabinet confers before midnight Sunday in special session. Israeli political sources hold Arafat ultimately responsible for attack, as he gives consistent green light to terrorist activity

I feel for those people who have lost their lives.. truly a sad incident without a doubt. I hope those suicide bombers burn in hell.....

But what im even more afraid about now is the reaction Sharon will have... how many innocent palestinians will die as they "weed out terrorists" after this incident....

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Originally posted by JohnSmith that is horrible. BTW, it's january 5th.

Sorry... Slow adjustments... Edited

I guess I'll watch the news and see what Sharon will do about this. I doubt these bombing will ever result in something nice.

What would you do?

Cyrus King... what should Sharon and the IDF do then after such an attack against humanity?
Should they just let those responisible at the higehr level get away with it?
Is it israels fault these cowards hide amongst their women and children thinking isreal wont come after them because of international presures?

You now have a country scared to shit and demanding its PM to do something to protect them!
As PM of Israel, what would you do to 'weed out' these terrorists?

UPDATE

i hate to inform you all of such a sad occurance. the death toll is now at 22 and expected to climb in the next couple of days.

may g-d rest their souls.
innocent men women chilren - lifeless. leaving behind so many loved ones!

may the purpetrators of this crime burn in hell!

Re: What would you do?

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Originally posted by melech_mike Cyrus King... what should Sharon and the IDF do then after such an attack against humanity? Should they just let those responisible at the higehr level get away with it? Is it israels fault these cowards hide amongst their women and children thinking isreal wont come after them because of international presures? You now have a country scared to shit and demanding its PM to do something to protect them! As PM of Israel, what would you do to 'weed out' these terrorists?

More secure measures should be taken to find these culprets during their planning stages. Bringing in tanks and demolishing villages wont solve the problem...also.. the Israeli government should take into consideration why people are so willing to kill themselves for a cause.

more secure measures??? when we tried more secure measures in jenin where over 20 of our own soilders died trying to root out terrorist, they said we coused a massacre. we tried not sending in choppers that spared innocent palistinans lives.... you must understand, we cant keep losing 20+ soilders everytime we try and catch the enemy!!!

they catch so many in the planning stages only when they go into these territories and find the bomb labs set up and what not. this is the only way we could deter these bombings from taking place aside from intencive intelligence already in place!

The reason for these people to be so willing to kill themselves has very little to do with israel!! The PA incites these people from a very young age with lies and hatred for a jew! they are miseducated and have very little to no access to international media!! they are lead to believe the lies put out by their governments and radical groups.
they are heavily brainwashed and lied to...
these islamic radical groups pray on those who have lost someone in the fight 'to liberate palistine (whatever that means)', they would be easier targets to brainwash.
there is a heavy presence of these groups in all the PA areas and these put on rallies and incite hatred against israel.
they have many recruiting offices for would be bombers..
many of the bombers caught b4 they we're able to kill we're found to have high levels of drugs supposedly to make sure they dont back down from what they have been set out to do.

once the world realizes that its not israel whos doing this to them, but themselves, then thats when things will get accomplished and a new terror-free regime can come into play. only after this should talks abuot a palistinian state take place!!!

dont blame others for your own internal problems!!!!

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Originally posted by melech_mike more secure measures??? when we tried more secure measures in jenin where over 20 of our own soilders died trying to root out terrorist, they said we coused a massacre. we tried not sending in choppers that spared innocent palistinans lives.... you must understand, we cant keep losing 20+ soilders everytime we try and catch the enemy!!! they catch so many in the planning stages only when they go into these territories and find the bomb labs set up and what not. this is the only way we could deter these bombings from taking place aside from intencive intelligence already in place! The reason for these people to be so willing to kill themselves has very little to do with israel!! The PA incites these people from a very young age with lies and hatred for a jew! they are miseducated and have very little to no access to international media!! they are lead to believe the lies put out by their governments and radical groups. they are heavily brainwashed and lied to... these islamic radical groups pray on those who have lost someone in the fight 'to liberate palistine (whatever that means)', they would be easier targets to brainwash. there is a heavy presence of these groups in all the PA areas and these put on rallies and incite hatred against israel. they have many recruiting offices for would be bombers.. many of the bombers caught b4 they we're able to kill we're found to have high levels of drugs supposedly to make sure they dont back down from what they have been set out to do. once the world realizes that its not israel whos doing this to them, but themselves, then thats when things will get accomplished and a new terror-free regime can come into play. only after this should talks abuot a palistinian state take place!!! dont blame others for your own internal problems!!!!

You are just stating ONE element as to why these people kill themselves....you forgot to mention that they also feel revenge after seeing their commrades and friend get shot in the head as they throw stones at tanks in protest of their presence..or apache helicopter strikes in civilian territories..You cant say that brainwashing alone will lead to someone who would kill themselves for a cause.... And please dont assume that i agree with suicide bombing becuase of my response.. i just think that both sides... espescially the Israeli government is partially at fault with respect to this issue.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King You are just stating ONE element as to why these people kill themselves....you forgot to mention that they also feel revenge after seeing their commrades and friend get shot in the head as they throw stones at tanks in protest of their presence..or apache helicopter strikes in civilian territories..You cant say that brainwashing alone will lead to someone who would kill themselves for a cause.... And please dont assume that i agree with suicide bombing becuase of my response.. i just think that both sides... espescially the Israeli government is partially at fault with respect to this issue.

Cyrus, your wrong though here. Obviously such things are an element. But these elements do not lead to terrorism. In other parts of the world, civilians die in much more brutual ways, in more quantities, and also from superior forces, yet do not resort to terrorism, and especially not horrific acts like homicide bombers.

What makes the Palestinian suffering worse then that of an East Timorese? Or a African during Aparthite? Or even the families of the very vicitims on the Israeli side of these horrendous attacks?

So yes, the death of comrades does have an element - an element that the culture and brain washing of the Palestinian terror and government groups use to influence the minds of recruits into reoccuring such endevaours. But one would be hard press to link such a result to Israeli action, especially when it comes in retaliation.

Anyone interested in reading well documented incitment and hatred towards israel and the jews throughout the arab world can access this website for access to what arabs learn in schools and what not!
http://212.179.112.116/leket_hasata_en.pdf

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Originally posted by melech_mike Anyone interested in reading well documented incitment and hatred towards israel and the jews throughout the arab world can access this website for access to what arabs learn in schools and what not! http://212.179.112.116/leket_hasata_en.pdf

First off... that document is a porno link....

Second... why are you trying to falsely convince us that the Arab world is bloodthrirsty for Jewish death?

Too me..... you are just trying to do what "those teachers" are doing in those arab schools...

a Porn link.... far from it bud!!!

i'm not trying to convince anyone that arabs are bloodthirst for jews.... they seem to be doing a fucking good job of it themselves!!

Incitiment and propaganda!!

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Originally posted by Cyrus King First off... that document is a porno link....

No, it seems to be an arab incitement analysis document to me, unforteantly

On a similar note however please feel free to examine the following web site, which documents Palestinian cirriculum:
http://www.memri.org/

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Second... why are you trying to falsely convince us that the Arab world is bloodthrirsty for Jewish death?

First, keep an open mind. Maybe he is not trying to convience you of anything but the truth. Look at the link, examine it, critize and anaylize it, then come with a conclusion.

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Too me..... you are just trying to do what "those teachers" are doing in those arab schools...

I think Mike, is trying to show you the truth, "those teachers" do the exact opposite by making lies for it.

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Originally posted by Yoepus Cyrus, your wrong though here. Obviously such things are an element. But these elements do not lead to terrorism. In other parts of the world, civilians die in much more brutual ways, in more quantities, and also from superior forces, yet do not resort to terrorism, and especially not horrific acts like homicide bombers. What makes the Palestinian suffering worse then that of an East Timorese? Or a African during Aparthite? Or even the families of the very vicitims on the Israeli side of these horrendous attacks? So yes, the death of comrades does have an element - an element that the culture and brain washing of the Palestinian terror and government groups use to influence the minds of recruits into reoccuring such endevaours. But one would be hard press to link such a result to Israeli action, especially when it comes in retaliation.

so what are you saying? all people in this world think alike. most of these palestinians probably fear for their lives everyday (note: i said probably). you just assume what you think they think, when you dont even know what they think. i dont even know what tehy think. but something that israelis have done is triggering these suicide bombings. i dont htink this is an argument about who is right or wrong. personally, i think both israelis and palestinians are wrong for what they are doing, cyrus is just giving his opinion, dont come in here thinking you are all right and shit and he is wrong. most of us in here dont know what each of those people over there go through everyday, so it is just our opinions that we are throwing out. honestly, can you tell me you know the whole truth? i really dont think so, but enlighten me

killing yourself = a lot of frustration , lets not forget this , meditate on it.

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Originally posted by Eisbaer killing yourself = a lot of frustration , lets not forget this , meditate on it.

so how come the african slaves in america didnt commited scuiside in a large crowd? after all they were in a much harder situation then the palastinians and conisidering the fact that they didnt do anything makes it worse then the palastinians situation,so why didnt they??

its all in your mind

first of all correlation does not equal causation
second of all, they didnt for the same reason the vast majority of palestinians dont
finally, committing suicide would not be convenient unless you had something specialised for killing like a gun, or you had a really, really good knife. even then, you dont know how many africans jumped out of those ships.

to clarify "correlation doesnt equal causation", it means that frustrated people dont necessarily commit suicide, but people who do commit suicide are frustrated.

frustration doesn't lead to suicide, but suicide is characterized by frustration, as well as despair, and anxiety.

the cause of suicide is more complex, it could be a mixture of parental conditioning and the desire to make a lasting contribution by "taking out" some of the bad guys, or a fit of vindictive rage, there could be many other reasons.


if it were caused more by conditioning to hate the government, and equating acts of terrorism with a likelyhood of going to heaven, i believe you could argue that there are less detrimental ways of doing this, so why go to the extreme? frustration

in the second case, there is nothing you can really do about it. you cannot go after the soldier who killed your brother, you probably dont know who he is, hes not in the most accesible part of town.
frustration


if i recall, many africans committed suicide by jumping into the atlantic. probably more than palestinians who have strapped bombs to themselves.

once settled in the americas, many found that they could survive. i dont think you can use an event in history that you know so little about to speculate human behavior on.

i dont believe anyone wants to die. that is the essential argument here. for a person to take their own life, THINGS HAVE TO BE REALLY FUCKED UP

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Originally posted by Eisbaer to clarify "correlation doesnt equal causation", it means that frustrated people dont necessarily commit suicide, but people who do commit suicide are frustrated. frustration doesn't lead to suicide, but suicide is characterized by frustration, as well as despair, and anxiety. the cause of suicide is more complex, it could be a mixture of parental conditioning and the desire to make a lasting contribution by "taking out" some of the bad guys, or a fit of vindictive rage, there could be many other reasons. if it were caused more by conditioning to hate the government, and equating acts of terrorism with a likelyhood of going to heaven, i believe you could argue that there are less detrimental ways of doing this, so why go to the extreme? frustration in the second case, there is nothing you can really do about it. you cannot go after the soldier who killed your brother, you probably dont know who he is, hes not in the most accesible part of town. frustration if i recall, many africans committed suicide by jumping into the atlantic. probably more than palestinians who have strapped bombs to themselves. once settled in the americas, many found that they could survive. i dont think you can use an event in history that you know so little about to speculate human behavior on. i dont believe anyone wants to die. that is the essential argument here. for a person to take their own life, THINGS HAVE TO BE REALLY FUCKED UP

you dont understand , i dont care if they wanna kill themselfs but i do care that they take a lot of innocente people with them

so to summery the palastinians kill kids the jaws and the africans that was under much harder situation and much unjustified situation didnt

THE END

you are right, it is unjustified

This is interesting, are some of you implying that only Arabs are capable of terrorism?

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

This event revolutionized contemporary terrorism, and generated numerous copycat terrorist acts around the world.

enjoy

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Originally posted by tathi This is interesting, are some of you implying that only Arabs are capable of terrorism? http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing This event revolutionized contemporary terrorism, and generated numerous copycat terrorist acts around the world. enjoy

from the article

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... planted and exploded a bomb at the King David Hotel. The hotel was the base for the British military command and the British Criminal Investigation Division.

blowing up a military installation... how revolutionary, surely no one thought of this in WW2 or WW1

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