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Posted by moog_baby on Jan-08-2003 11:55:

Which is best umm, eh??? ummm?

akai s5/6000 or emu e4 ultra series..? I know theres lots of exapnsion options but in principle, I reckon Ill plump for an emu but more advice the better I suppose..!?

Posted by Mod1 on Jan-08-2003 13:03:

there is no way i would ever buy a hardware sampler nowadays. this is one area where the software has killed the hardware market. akai have gone bust...didnt u know?

the money could buy you a pc that is twice as powerful as any hardware sampler.

when it comes to synths--hard ware everytime! but samplers....youd have to be off your head (no offense)

pm if you like and ill explain more

ps...i have a hardware sampler (a good one).....it collects dust

Posted by coby on Jan-08-2003 17:56:

Yup, what do u need a herdware sampler for ?! u can do everything with software !

Use the money 2 buy a good saynth !

Posted by moog_baby on Jan-10-2003 11:49:

he he

spent a long time chatting to modular 1..he the soft-sampler oracel anyone on here have a maxed akai or emu and thinks its better..? if so tell me why..? p.s forgot to ask modular, can these soft-synths load in akai/emu cd roms etc..?

Posted by robstar on Jan-10-2003 12:02:

The only hardware sampler that seems to be better the all the softsamplers is this one :

http://www.synthesisers.co.uk/vp9000.htm

There no softsampler that can timestretch without destorying the sound. :/

Posted by Pjotr G on Jan-10-2003 12:53:

hmm I have a hardware sampler and it is not collecting dust, it's being used every time im making music

I have no problem with soft samplers, I understand their use, but I think it's a bit daft to claim that if you own a hardware sampler, you're not thinking straight. (btw I have a live set, and no way in helllll would I drag windows on stage, but even if I wouldn't do this I'd still stick with the hardware. Sure software can sound as good (not on a soundblaster, make no illusions), but then you need a decent soundcard (not a decent game-card, a decent music card), and if you wanna mix externally, with separate outputs, and even then, you have to click through screens to get an overview of what you are doing. Bah software.

Anyways, go for akai if you want access to the greatest sample libraries, go for emu if you want the hottest filters and, IMHO the best sound.

PS I've got an E-mu ESI4000 turbo.

Posted by Trancevision on Jan-10-2003 14:37:

quote:
ps...i have a hardware sampler (a good one).....it collects dust

the same with my AKAI S2000. But I can still use the sampling cds shipped with it ;-)

quote:
The only hardware sampler that seems to be better the all the softsamplers is this one :

cool, I really would like to listen to a single sampled piano on it, can't imagine that it sounds good...
in one or two years even software samplers will have these functions and also software synths will perhaps have the quality of some hardware synths...we'll see

Trancevision

Posted by Mod1 on Jan-10-2003 17:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Pjotr G
1-it's a bit daft to claim that if you own a hardware sampler, you're not thinking straight.
2- (btw I have a live set, and no way in helllll would I drag windows on stage,
3-and if you wanna mix externally, with separate outputs, and even then, you have to click through screens to get an overview of what you are doing. Bah software.
4-Anyways, go for akai if you want access to the greatest sample libraries, go for emu if you want the hottest filters and, IMHO the best sound.

PS I've got an E-mu ESI4000 turbo.

1-i didnt say stupid to own....its stupid to buy one nowadays
2-theres lots of kool midi contollers nowadays
3-you obviously aint used logic ....
4-emagic exs24 reads akai disks....most samplers do...

Posted by robstar on Jan-10-2003 17:35:

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4-emagic exs24 reads akai disks....most samplers do...

Now , that's a cool softsampler!
Exs24 and Kontakt are wikked softsamplers!

Posted by Pjotr G on Jan-10-2003 17:52:

quote:
Originally posted by modular
1-i didnt say stupid to own....its stupid to buy one nowadays
2-theres lots of kool midi contollers nowadays
3-you obviously aint used logic ....
4-emagic exs24 reads akai disks....most samplers do...

All the same to me, I'd still buy one today. Have all the fun in the world with your midi controllers and logic, while I'm making music the way I like it, which is using hardware, regardless of what you consider stupid.

[edit] basically, I wish people wouldn't see things so black and white. Whatever works for somebody is good, period. Some people don't mind mouse-clicking their way through making a track, however some people do. Anyways, all that matters in the end is the result I guess....(except for the hobby bit )[/edit]

Posted by moog_baby on Jan-10-2003 18:56:

still nobody

one thing that nobody has still done is post a list of pro trance producers that dont have a hardware sampler..anyone puuuurrrllleeese give me one..!

Posted by brash on Jan-10-2003 19:12:

Re: still nobody

quote:
Originally posted by Pjotr G
Some people don't mind mouse-clicking their way through making a track, however some people do.

To be honest I think this is the biggest difference between soft- and hardsynths nowadays. Sound quality is getting to be pretty similar. There are still sounds that a softsynth can't make, but people can just make do without those sounds if they want.

But hardware still has the speed and ease of use part nailed (and reliability, too, usually). One reason I like Buzz so much -- because I can do most of my stuff by pressing keys on the keyboard, instead of clicking and dragging and all that crap with the mouse.

quote:
Originally posted by moog_baby
one thing that nobody has still done is post a list of pro trance producers that dont have a hardware sampler..anyone puuuurrrllleeese give me one..!

1. Most people here don't care, and so they won't have looked into this.

2. You'll find it difficult to figure out what someone does not have.

3. I imagine if I were a "pro" producer, and had plenty of money, I would buy both an excellent hardware sampler, and an excellent software sampler, so I would have the option of using either, should I so desire.

Posted by moog_baby on Jan-10-2003 19:21:

integration is key..if anybody looks at my original post though, all I asked for was advice on the differences between an emu and an akai..and help on choosing one..wasnt all that interested in entering into arguments about soft-samplers..! still thanks to the one person who actually touched upon answering my question..

Posted by Mod1 on Jan-11-2003 14:51:

please dont take it that im anti-hardware...when it comes to synths im hardware all the way peeps....its just samplers that i think have been outdone.....