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Are DJ's new Stars?

OK folks, first a disclaimer: Let's keep our flames nice and organized... Name calling would be inappropriate, I feel this is just a good place to "vent".

While reading other postings it dawned on me... (boy am I quick or what?) -

...Why DJs are new "Rock Stars"? When I hear that PvD or Armin or Ferry can make about $20-50K a night, I realize that the "Age of DJ" is upon us. Not saying that it's undeserved but, it really chaps my arsehole when someone associates great music with a DJ, without giving any props to the original producer!!! Granted, some DJs _ARE_ producers as well, but overall, is this the ultimate "money for nothing, chix for free"???

Don't get me wrong... But what really tics me is that DJ is just an outlet for music... Shit, for majority of my life my association with DJ was the dude that spun the records holed up somewhere in the corner. What I think is really wrong with the scene is that you "fail to see the forest, 'coz we stuck staring at the tree". Look, no offense but DJ, unless he's a producer just adds a slight shade to already beautfiful picture. Of course, we have PvDs and AvBs and Tiestos that really re-work peice of dung into a masterpiece - but really... Let's give credit where credit is due!!!

When people are cheering in the club, most of the time they are cheering the tune - not the guy who's playing it... Take Ferry's "Punk"... Great choon... But take someone like Pete Moutso (DJ from Glow) - have him put on "Punk" and then slap on "Another Way" follow it up with "Diving" and fade into "Taub" and you got a banging ass set and all of the sudden, Pete is a "god" (notice small "g")... Nothing against Pete, nor did he play that set, but you catch my point. Sure, skills of a DJ are important - you gotta be able to read the crowd, you gotta mix, beatmatch, you gotta do tons of other things but face it: Punk was produced by Ferry, Another Way by PvD, Diving by Four Strings, etc.... Where does producer get the props???

I don't think it's fair, but I guess nothing can be done about that. Sure, we want variety - we want not just Rank 1 but some Blackeight; so, to wrap it up - am I totally off the mark here or is there some sense to my "anguish"???

I think this is because Trance is going mainstream, you can't stop it, no-one can.

Maybe you didn't notice, but you opened 4 threads instead of 1. You can delete the other 3.

Good point but I think your argument is kinda flawed.

For me DJing is an art that consists of the blending of melodies and rhythms, creating contrasts, and doing all sorts of effects to alter the mood of the dancefloor. Not everyone has the true artistic talent to do this. I mean, anyone can get the latest records and play them one after the other. If you think that makes that DJ a God, then you're a bad electronic music critic. However, DJs like PvD, Armin, Tiesto etc. got to where they are because they have that special touch, in addition to adding their own productions in the mix. Even if a lot of people say that PvD and Tiesto can't beatmatch for shit (I disagree with that), the way they do contrasts and play with the audience is unique and impossible to imitate by anyone else. I can tell a Tiesto mix from miles away if I hear how he blended one track into the other and how he did the UPS and DOWNS of the set.

I understand DJs usually play "other people's music", but so do the most trained musicians in the world: classical musicians. What do symphony orchestras do? They play Beethoven, Brahms, Stravinsky etc. etc. etc. Yet it is not the same to hear Beethoven's 9th Symphony performed by your local youth orchestra than by the New York or Berlin Philharmonic (which probably charges about $80,000 a performance). The piece is a classic by itself, but the level of performance can have a dramatic impact on the listener's appreciation.

IMO, what my favorite DJs do with records is much more admirable than the work done by any rock bands or pop singers from today that make much more money than them. For me, a DJ is like an symphony conductor, but if you come from a pop music perspective then what you say makes perfect. Peace.

I can see what you mean.But usually,when big djs play a tune that goes down well,ppl will wonder who made it.And then when they find that out,the producers will get all the credit they deserve.Look at Mirco De Govia.When PvD played Epic Monolith first time around,everyone was like "woooooooow!what is this tune?!"Now look where Mirco is at.His remixes of Ralphie B,Sonorous and Sun Decade has made him one of the most popular producers in the trance scene,and has lifted Euphonic Recs. several feet up into the spotlight.So basically,DJs are gateways of attention for other producers to walk through if the DJs deem them worthy.(i.e.whether they like the tune or not)

So basically,complaining about why DJs should get credit when all they do is play other ppl's tracks is like saying:"why should you get the credit for building a house when you didn't make the materials yourself?"

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Originally posted by DJ P�O I understand DJs usually play "other people's music", but so do the most trained musicians in the world: classical musicians. What do symphony orchestras do? They play Beethoven, Brahms, Stravinsky etc. etc. etc. Yet it is not the same to hear Beethoven's 9th Symphony performed by your local youth orchestra than by the New York or Berlin Philharmonic (which probably charges about $80,000 a performance). The piece is a classic by itself, but the level of performance can have a dramatic impact on the listener's appreciation.

real good point, i hadn't thought of that one. And like you said earlier, a DJ leaves his mark. Even if AVB or Tiesto where to spin a very similar set, meaning tracks. The sound and atmosphere although both great is entirely different. the feel to the music is just completly a being in itself. At least that's how it felt the last time i saw these two.

that is true

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Take Ferry's "Punk"... Great choon... But take someone like Pete Moutso (DJ from Glow) - have him put on "Punk" and then slap on "Another Way" follow it up with "Diving" and fade into "Taub" and you got a banging ass set and all of the sudden, Pete is a "god" (notice small "g")...

You've pretty much answered your own question with that...
And your answer and argument is extremely flawed in one major way: why is he a god for palying those songs? If you've seen some of the tracklists that people spin themselves post on this board, then are they not god even by a larger sense? Uninspired tracklists and boring set construction hidden by slamming huge tune after huge tune is the problem here...and for some reason, which I have no idea why, people tend to worship this, and DJs know this, therefore they continue to do it...it's a self feeding cycle that'll never end and never regress as long as trance is alive and continues to churn(not produce) song after song. How many times have we heard Punk and Southern Sun this year?

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And like you said earlier, a DJ leaves his mark. Even if AVB or Tiesto where to spin a very similar set, meaning tracks. The sound and atmosphere although both great is entirely different. the feel to the music is just completly a being in itself. At least that's how it felt the last time i saw these two.

If a DJ leaves his mark, then how can they spin a similar set? What your saying is that if a unknown DJ vs AvB or Tiesto spun a similar set(it can be the exact same too, cuz it won't matter) the feel for Tiesto or AvB would be "different"...no offense, but that's a crock of shit. Your putting more weight on the name of the DJ then the actual quality of the set.
I see alot of this on this board...people say that the set construction and progression is important, however the big name DJ gets the favor just cuz he's the big name DJ. I don't understand...and in the middle of this is the DJ, who always comes out winning with a $50K check in his hand because he doesn't care if the tune is overplayed...he just plays it, and knows that he'll be revered for it.

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So basically,DJs are gateways of attention for other producers to walk through if the DJs deem them worthy whether they like the tune or not

Ehhh...no. If they didn't like the tune, they wouldn't play it. Simple as that.

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So basically,complaining about why DJs should get credit when all they do is play other ppl's tracks is like saying:"why should you get the credit for building a house when you didn't make the materials yourself?"

Not entirely true. It's the basic principle on which we are arguing back and forth which also doubles as the problem: why are thes DJs getting paid on a night as much as some families do in a year when all they do is play tune after tune. Sure, each DJ has his or own unique style, but that's no valid reason why these DJs are revered as gods...in fact, IMO, trance DJs are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to performances. Can't compare them to a hip hop show or rock concert or classical concert in terms of talent and skill. You just can't.
That's my point. DJs are victims of their own trend, and cash in on it, while people blindly follow them wherever they go, and whatever tune they play...big or not.

Not a bad point, but you make it sound like any random asshole can throw together some records and a crossfader and become a superstar. Maybe they can with todays commercialized cheese trance, but a REALLY good DJ is prehaps even more skilled than the producer of his tunes. He senses the crowd, reads the atmosphere, and basically hes making the night. This skill takes many years to define, and it takes a special gift just to understand it. Its no conincidence that some of the best tunes come from some of the best DJ's. If people just wanted to hear tunes they could pop a CD into a ghetto blaster at home, gather some friends, get a black light, and have a do it yourself party. They go to see a great DJ because he takes ordinary tunes and makes them into an experience you cant get with a random asshole tossing together anthems.

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Originally posted by dJohn IMO, trance DJs are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to performances. Can't compare them to a hip hop show or rock concert or classical concert in terms of talent and skill. You just can't.

This is true, sadly.

The thing about the big, "godly" trance DJ's (and other electronica DJ's but trance in particular) is that they got their status by doing something new. Nowadays, of course, there are thousands of people that can spin like AVB, or Tiesto - perhaps even better. But it's too late - Tiesto has already made a spot for himself, and it's very very hard to get to his level.

Actually, I'd like to argue that it's impossible, if you want to spin his style of trance. You simply cannot get to his level at all.

You need to innovate, to do something new. That's why DJ-producers are valued more highly than just plain DJ's.

Now, if you produced some new subgenre of trance, and got popular for it, then in 5 years you would be a god for that kind of trance, and people in that time would complain, "Why is DJ such-and-such so popular? All he does is take songs of this new trance genre and plops them together."

Well, you can see that the plain answer is, "duh he's been doing it since day 1." The same thing applies to Tiesto etc. They've been doing it since day 1. They were the first. You can't follow in their footsteps, because it's too late. Now everyone wants to be the next trance superstar DJ, and I'm sorry to say that it's simply just straight-out impossible.

Try inventing a new kind of music, or a new kind of trance, and you might get somewhere.

they are the new stars but at least rock stars know when to quit!!!!!!!! unlike dj's, ffs if led zeplin were still the #1` rock band u would have to worry wouldnt you


*thinks of some big nammed dj's*

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originall posted by dJohn Ehhh...no. If they didn't like the tune, they wouldn't play it. Simple as that.

Ehhh...that was my point.If the djs deem them worthy means that they like the tune,and then play it.Otherwise the producers wouldn't be allowed to walk through the gatway of attention that big djs are.

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Not entirely true. It's the basic principle on which we are arguing back and forth which also doubles as the problem: why are thes DJs getting paid on a night as much as some families do in a year when all they do is play tune after tune. Sure, each DJ has his or own unique style, but that's no valid reason why these DJs are revered as gods...in fact, IMO, trance DJs are at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to performances. Can't compare them to a hip hop show or rock concert or classical concert in terms of talent and skill. You just can't. That's my point. DJs are victims of their own trend, and cash in on it, while people blindly follow them wherever they go, and whatever tune they play...big or not.

My point was,it takes more than just slapping a vinyl on a turntable and mix it to make it as big as the big name djs we are talking about here.It takes timing,creativity,the ability to read a crowd etc. etc.And you don't get that by simply mixing a bunch of records after another.It takes many,many years of training and also loads of talent to get it as right as the ppl we're talking about here do.Not to men tion that you virtually HAVE TO make your own records,which is even harder to break through with these days.And when these talented ppl manage to make it big,why should we hold that against them?Sure,we don't have to follow them around like gods,but still.And why can we not compare these ppl to ppl who are talented rappers or rock perfomers?Is djing not as "professional" or "hard to master" as playing a guitar or rapping?That smells like an elitist statement to me...

Interesting......

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Originally posted by Alccode This is true, sadly. The thing about the big, "godly" trance DJ's (and other electronica DJ's but trance in particular) is that they got their status by doing something new. Nowadays, of course, there are thousands of people that can spin like AVB, or Tiesto - perhaps even better. But it's too late - Tiesto has already made a spot for himself, and it's very very hard to get to his level. Actually, I'd like to argue that it's impossible, if you want to spin his style of trance. You simply cannot get to his level at all. You need to innovate, to do something new. That's why DJ-producers are valued more highly than just plain DJ's. Now, if you produced some new subgenre of trance, and got popular for it, then in 5 years you would be a god for that kind of trance, and people in that time would complain, "Why is DJ such-and-such so popular? All he does is take songs of this new trance genre and plops them together." Well, you can see that the plain answer is, "duh he's been doing it since day 1." The same thing applies to Tiesto etc. They've been doing it since day 1. They were the first. You can't follow in their footsteps, because it's too late. Now everyone wants to be the next trance superstar DJ, and I'm sorry to say that it's simply just straight-out impossible. Try inventing a new kind of music, or a new kind of trance, and you might get somewhere.

Hum... lots of excellent views here. I am not bashing DJs, as a matter of fact I worship the very same people I named, as well as others... What amazes me is that from what I understand not that many producers make as much cash writing killer tunes as DJs who spin them. As far as the concept of DJ introducing us to new tallent, that has been so for many years - we're talking decades. Many wonderful musicians wouldn't have been discovered if it wasn't for a DJ... Let's take PPK - I have been following them since they first showed up on MP3.com (we're talking like 98/99) - back then no one even knew what was "Resurection". Next thing u know, Oakey spun the record in Moscow, crowd went nuts, Oakey went "Hummmmmmmmmmm... Caaaching!!!" and the rest is history. So, I got no problem wit that, as a matter of fact I'd love to get discovered that way and wouldn't care if I had to give away my music free for the next 3 years, just to hear my favorite DJ spin my tune... What I am saying is that I realize that technique, "crowd control", and charisma are all factors in this but is it trully fair to consider someone like Tiesto a "god"?

Anywho - you got me thinkin... If you can't break through spinnin' trance and producing trance... how come so many ppl are being recognized??? Right - coz' u can! It's just harder. Look around - for everything you see there's at least one competitor, if not more... Hell, how many cell shops do you see around??? Everyone has a cell now, there's a cellphone store around every corner - and everyone makes out allright... Not an ideal analogy, but I hope u get the point. And by the way, few months ago I decided to see how hard would it be to produce something like Armin's Sunburn... Guess what, within 2 weeks I was able to replicate the track almost down to the last bit. Granted, it takes a long time to experiment with sounds, come up with an idea, lay it down, mix it master it, etc... But I would not go as far as comparing Trance to Classical music, moreover orchestral piece... To say something like that is an utter disrespect to the foundation of today's music. Everywhere you look, you find elements of classical music (ok, maybe not in prog... maybe not in jungle... hum... not in acid house...... huh.. list goes on) and to compare complexities of Bethoven's Symphony #9 with even the most diverse Trance track, you just can't... Keep in mind, Mozarts, Bethovens, and Bachs did not have computerized sequencers, mixers, and synths... All they had was their brain and feel for the music.... You wanna find today's Bach/Bethoven/Mozart - look at BT ... but the list is rather short.

I'll stop my rant... right about .....NOW!
/me The Original Silly Muppet

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Is djing not as "professional" or "hard to master" as playing a guitar or rapping?That smells like an elitist statement to me...

No it's not as nearly as hard. I spin too, and I'll admit...if you've got 2 ears and two hands, anybody can be a DJ. And following this...

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And why can we not compare these ppl to ppl who are talented rappers or rock perfomers

We can...and we do. Some people place them on pedestals to worship, while others trash them and don't think they can do shit. Personally, I stand in the middle...I do admire their talent to read the croud and their refined skill to raise the level of excitement of a performance, but I will always have a tarnish on the dance DJ image, ESPECIALLY European trance DJs, because 75% of their appeal comes from which tracks they play, which doubles for 2 arguments:
1. Which track they play is important...can't open up a night with a banger, and carry it all the way through. Placement and selection is important, and these DJs are masters at that, but...
2. While track placement and selection are important, any anthem can substitute for the climax of a buildup...you can buildup as much, or in this case as short as you want, play an anthem that EVERYBODY knows, and the crowd goes wild...go figure, a Euro trance DJ plays a song and all of a sudden he's better than everybody else.

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If the djs deem them worthy

ANd who are these DJs that determine whether a track is worthy or not? Each track that's good enough to make it onto a label to be pressed is good in it's own way. Trance DJs tend to look for formulaic sounds, and familiar effects to compliment their box full of anthems...disagree? Tell me the barebone structure for EACH AND EVERY track of AvB's recent sets, and you'll know what I mean...roughly 6-7 minutes in length, 2 buildups, and that familiar Eurotrance hoover sound.

If you've noticed, alot of people who just look at a tracklist and see a few anthems AUTOMATICALLY dub the set as "looks great"...hmmm...something peculiar?
Of course, there are a multitude of ways to look at this...production(whether the DJ is as skilled as a producer, like you said), reputation(Tiesto, supposedly who's been there since day 1) and DJing talent(crowd reading, set construction etc...), but DJs are WAY overrated in comparision to these other stars that truly define musical perfomance.

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Maybe they can with todays commercialized cheese trance

Exactly...with today's commercialized 1999 whiplash cheese trance...and what kind of tracks are on Tiesto's or van Buuren's or Ferry's tracklist? Yeah, exactly.

Yes...anybody can be a DJ. Not everybody can be a superstar. Few can reach Tiesto's status. Even fewer can truly be considered musical stars...

Re: Are DJ's new Stars?

"When people are cheering in the club, most of the time they are cheering the tune - not the guy who's playing it... "


I AGREE though i often fall victim of the "wow, what a great DJ" syndrome when a gret song is being played. DJ's are modern day priests/shamans/monks.....with all their connotations....positive or negative...though often held in awe and worshipped..DJ's and religious figureheads are merely a medium, a middle-man between us and the "other" side

Not to stray off topic, but why's everybody saying trance is going mainstream? If by mainstream you mean thats usually the first club music that people start off with, well thats nothing new. I live and go to school in the Washington dc area, and there's a big dance scene here, but when I tell people in school I spin trance, 98 out of 100 go "What's trance?"

Most people I know who like trance also like house, progressive and jungle, so if trance was really becoming mainstream I don't see why those wouldn't be mainstream either.

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Originally posted by CynepMeH Anywho - you got me thinkin... If you can't break through spinnin' trance and producing trance... how come so many ppl are being recognized??? Right - coz' u can! It's just harder. Look around - for everything you see there's at least one competitor, if not more... Hell, how many cell shops do you see around??? Everyone has a cell now, there's a cellphone store around every corner - and everyone makes out allright... Not an ideal analogy, but I hope u get the point. And by the way, few months ago I decided to see how hard would it be to produce something like Armin's Sunburn... Guess what, within 2 weeks I was able to replicate the track almost down to the last bit. Granted, it takes a long time to experiment with sounds, come up with an idea, lay it down, mix it master it, etc...

I definitely agree with you. I wasn't trying to say that you can't become succesfull at all. My point was that people who want to be "the next Tiesto" are just deceiving themselves - because it's impossible. Now I don't mean literally - of course that's impossible - but i mean stylistically.

If someone likes Tiesto (I'm just using him as an example), and spins his style of trance at home, and wants to become big, he can't, really - never like Tiesto. Because Tiesto is unique and he already made that spot for himself. You can't take his spot because it's his. The same story applies for every other DJ - even Oakey. They're unique; they carved their own niche for themselves.

A lot of, if not most of, "wannabe DJ's" today (i.e. bedroom dj's) that want to get "on top" do so because they like one particular style of trance that is already well done by someone else! How can you become as big as Armin if you sound like him? People (especially promoters!) will just say, "well, pff, this guy is just an Armin wannabe." That's not the path to stardom.

It's possible to get "up there", but as I said, you have to be unique. You have to bring your own sound, your own style. That's why I said, "make your own kind of trance, and you might get somewhere."

Take Push/M.I.K.E. for a second. Actually, take Marco V. Marco V has a very, very distinct and unique style. So much so that, upon hearing a track, you don't even need to know the name, you can instantly tell whether or not it's Marco V. His style is simple, and yet so amazing, so effective. He's carved his own niche for himself. Yes, you can probably "remake" (i.e. imitate) most of his tracks in Reason (or similar) within 2 weeks, but that's not the point - the greatest hurdle is the originality - the inspiration.

Take this analogy - it's easy to understand the concept of matter/energy duality, of e=mc^2 - that is, once you're told it. But, think of what kind of a genis was needed in order to arrive at that insight! Those people are rare.

That's why, you can say, anyone can say, "Oh, Marco V's productions are pretty simple - he uses this one drum and bassline and everything is just a variation thereof" - but it works, and you didn't come up with it. He did.

You can't get to the top by imitating Marco V. Likewise, you can't be the next Michael Jordan by imitating his play style. It just can't work. His play style is his own and no one else's - you have to find your own unique style.

Ok, this was long-winded, but I hope I cleared up my original meaning a bit more.

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originally posted by dJohn No it's not as nearly as hard. I spin too, and I'll admit...if you've got 2 ears and two hands, anybody can be a DJ.

Yes,but can you be a dj that stands out from the zillion of other bedroom djs around?That takes far more than having two ears and two hands.Similarly,as long as you have a voice,anyone can go on a mic and spit words on top of beats.But do they have the flow,diction and timing required to stand out from the other million rappers out there?

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We can...and we do. Some people place them on pedestals to worship, while others trash them and don't think they can do shit. Personally, I stand in the middle...I do admire their talent to read the croud and their refined skill to raise the level of excitement of a performance, but I will always have a tarnish on the dance DJ image, ESPECIALLY European trance DJs, because 75% of their appeal comes from which tracks they play, which doubles for 2 arguments: 1. Which track they play is important...can't open up a night with a banger, and carry it all the way through. Placement and selection is important, and these DJs are masters at that, but... 2. While track placement and selection are important, any anthem can substitute for the climax of a buildup...you can buildup as much, or in this case as short as you want, play an anthem that EVERYBODY knows, and the crowd goes wild...go figure, a Euro trance DJ plays a song and all of a sudden he's better than everybody else.

I agree with you.I think that the whole "god" image of a dj is ridiculous(and I think that even the djs themselves think that,too).Let's face it,it's basically some dude showing up at a club to play some of his favourite records.The point is,that for some ppl,music means so much in their lives,that the djs that give them the music they live for attain this god-like image,since they fulfill the need for one of the things that they love most of all in their lives.It's kinda strange,seeing as all they do is play other ppl's records,but it still happens.And of course the dj's appeal comes from the tracks he/she plays!That is one of the things djing is all about!But if somebody goes on and plays a set consisting of only anthems that everybody knows,he/she won't get far,and sure as hell won't make him/her BETTER than everybody else.And if you replace every build-up or climax in your set with an anthem instead of building it up with several tunes,you won't get far,either.It's those kind of things that seperate the good dj from the bad dj.

I always look for sets where there are a lot of unknown tunes,and the more of them I see in a set,the more I feel like hearing it.
That is partly why I like for example Armin,since he always plays fresh and new tunes on his show.And no,they are not all the same old 99' trance.I would never listen to him if they were(and obviously,you haven't listened to his show either,cos you'd know better than saying what you did about Armin's trackselection).Armin plays a lot of progressive tunes on his show for instance,like Nugen - Deliverance,Castor & Pollux - Serenity,Hybrid - Gravastar etc. etc.His livesets however,have a tendency to be more of an "anthem"-set like you describe it.But that's mostly cos he has played them so much himself on his show that ppl recognize it,not cos it was made popular by the charts or something like that.And what is he going to do if a particular record he likes to play gets so popular cos of him?Stop playing it?

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ANd who are these DJs that determine whether a track is worthy or not? Each track that's good enough to make it onto a label to be pressed is good in it's own way.

Lasgo,Ian van Dahl and Flip & Fill have all gotten onto a label and releqsed records.That still doesn't make the music good in my eyes.Other ppl,however,do think so,and hence,they get a record deal.So just cos PvD does not play a tune does not automatically make it bad.But it is not good enough FOR HIM PERSONALLY,and hence,he won't play it.There's a difference.Of course,there is the problem of ppl taking PvD's taste as an automatic quality factor,which is dumb.

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Trance DJs tend to look for formulaic sounds, and familiar effects to compliment their box full of anthems...disagree? Tell me the barebone structure for EACH AND EVERY track of AvB's recent sets, and you'll know what I mean...roughly 6-7 minutes in length, 2 buildups, and that familiar Eurotrance hoover sound.

This is not entirely true.Once again,listen to Armin's show.He plays a lot of tunes from other genres there,like I mentioned above.And not all the trance tunes he plays has that "hoover"-sound you describe, either.And yes,they look for formulaic sounds,but not ONLY formulaic sounds.Contrary to your belief,Armin's box isn't stuffed full of anthems.For the 3rd time,LISTEN TO HIS SHOW,or look at some tracklistings of his shows or something.It'll show what kind of tunes Armin can pull out.Of course,seeing as he is a trance dj,he'll play a lot of tunes that have the characteristics you described.But,he'll play a lot that do not have them as well.I think you're having trouble with trance generally,rather than having an issue with the djs.

I am really pleased to see so many intelligible comments and insights. One of the things I love about these forums is that people here are well-versed. Comming back to topic, I guess it is established that "DJ is God" (well some) and nothing we can do about that.

By the way, I don't believe that there's such a thing as "Tiesto" sound or "Armin" sound or "Ferry" sound - these guys are pretty diverse. Take PvD for example - look at him in days of Twilo, look at him today. It seems that the trend and natural progression of a dj is to go "deeper". I see quite a few DJs "evolving"... the ones that don't - face extinction. So, their "sound" changes, as the music changes. You may recognize Armin's track - his beat line or you can hear Ferry Corsten's track - with it's amazing classical-music-like structure but I doubt you can say that about their spinning style.

So, what I found out from this discussion is that I should probably dissolve my studio - sell all my gear, synths, software, records, cds, turntables etc... coz I'll never get to the level of Armin/Ferry/PvD/Tiesto or whoever is hot.... Hummm....

Anyone knows where I can find a nice sturdy tree branch and willing to trade nice solid rope for all of my gear?????????

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